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Linking to piracy sites whose content is all blatantly stolen from artists does seem violating to me.

Which is heartbreaking (and I'd argue misleading too), but not the whole story.

You can only issue takedowns in relation with material that you have copyright over. At least one of these sites I know for a fact routinely scrubs FAKKU licensed content, and abides by takedown requests.


That seems like an argument to go after the actual alleged illegally hosted materials through the proper DMCA takedown request.

Both should be done. Often the actual illegally hosted materials are on servers not friendly with takedown requests or will get immediately reloaded by the pirates. By going after the links it can cut off the ability for people to find the illegally hosted materials.

Seems like a strange way to attempt to police the internet by proxy. The Internet should ignore or route around people attempting to police how nodes connect to each other.

I agree that the larger Internet should be capable of routing lawful traffic through jurisdictions where such traffic is lawful to another jurisdiction where the traffic is lawful. But within a country for example local laws should be applied to the traffic.

There are two options here:

1) You can have an encrypted connection between two jurisdictions that have different laws, but then anyone can route around censorship because you don't know if they're discussing geopolitics or distributing DeCSS.

2) You can't have an encrypted connection between two jurisdictions that have different laws, which is >99% of all connections because even different cities have different laws, which is an Orwellian panopticon and the destruction of all privacy.

I'm going to have to insist we stick with the first one.


Is this like how in France, DNS resolvers are legally required to block certain websites? That's right, if you run "unbound" with default options in France you're a felon.

Yeah. The government can dictate what you are and aren't allowed to do. This is not a novel concept.

what piracy sites is gallery-dl linking to?

I do not want to promote them here, but if you read the linked github thread you will see the names of what extractors were deleted.

Wait a second... By the view you're espousing right now, doesn't that make this conversation "illegal"? Why aren't we filing DMCA takedowns to HN because the list of the naughty sites is at the top of the page for this very thread?

This seems like turtles all the way down.


Through the DCMA lens, does a tool having the ability to download from example.com = linking to example.com?

In this case the files you could view on github literally had links directly to copyrighted works. It was not just that it was compatible with pirate sites.

Where? I looked at a copy from March 16, and I only saw placeholders like 12345 and 12345/67890abcde in the files mentioned in the issue

Look in the test vectors and you will see ones that are not for generic ids.

>All our needs are taken care of

>while the rest of us die in poverty.

These can't be simultaneously true. If all of our needs are taken care of, that is the same thing as unlimited luxury. Someone hoarding wealth is not that important when everyone has everything they want. Society is already being helped by all of the needs they are fulfilling. We don't need to also take their wealth too.


A lot of open source software has drama so it isn't surprising to me.

Anything with more than a few humans will have drama. Most marriages have a lot and that is two people (who mostly manage anyway).

lack of drama is a bad sign - it means someone isn't allowed to think/feel. (This is okay in a few contexts but overall bad)


To be fair, closed source office suites also have drama. Did you know the VP who was responsible for the Office ribbon is in the Epstein files?

You never need to have all weights in memory. You can swap them in from RAM, disk, the network, etc. MOE reduces the amount of data that will need to be swapped in for the next forward pass.

Yes you're right technically, but in reality you'd be swapping them the (vast?) majority in and out per inference request so would create an enormous bottleneck for the use case the author is using for.

With unified memory, reading from RAM to GPU compute buffer is not that painful, and you can use partial RAM caching to minimize the impact of other kinds of swapping.

You don't have to only have the experts being actively used in VRAM. You can load as many weights as will fit. If there is a "cache miss" you have to pay the price to swap in the weights, but if there is a hit you don't.

Allow AI to ask questions. Since the point of the site is to build a knowledge base you don't really need humans to be that involved. Humans running into problems and then asking question was just one way to do this in the pre AI era. Now with AI we can reevaluate if we really need humans as much as we did.

>I think we techies over-estimate the ability and inclination of people to make something.

But that was never the worry. The worry is a competitor undercutting you because they do not have to recoup R&D.


A few tricks to beat this are community, brand, an app that only works with the official version (hard to pull off and sad), and going more niche.

It would be cheaper to just buy all of the outliers a bottom of the barrel Android phone for them to use with the tax money.

Yes just like it’s cheaper to just provide people who can’t afford a phone in the US a phone by taxing other cell phone users - and I don’t have a problem with that.

And force them into the Google surveillance, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Collecting telemetry is not the same thing as surveillance. Using such vocabulary to describe what a phone does is both misleading and manipulating, playing into the angle of scaremongering people who do not want to be survived.

It really doesn't matter. When you power on an android smartphone with google play installed for the first time you are presented with a gate screen that asks you to consent to google's privacy policy. You can't use the phone without accepting. (for example https://forum.fairphone.com/t/finalising-the-setup-wizard-wi...)

Using smartphones with such a setup should not become required by a European government on a fundamental level.


It really does. Just calling everything racism makes racism acceptable to a lot of people.

Telemetry/tracking feels a more appropriate wording than “surveillance”. Exaggeration (in case it was one, not sure) also does not make an argument more compelling – quite the apposite with me at least.

And I use AdGuardHome, uBlock, VPNs, etc. I HATE tracking. But it’s not what the Chinese government does to their citizens for example, it’s not comparable.


So please tell us what the difference is.

With surveillance a person gets surveilled with telemetry a person doesn't. Telemetry is collecting information about the operation of the device. The goal of telemetry is to understand how the device is operating where with surveillance it is about seeing what a person is doing.

The types of data that's collected for these two purposes have a significant overlap.

Sufficiently detailed telemetry is indistinguishable from surveillance because even if the goal isn't to target you right now, they will still have the secondary option of going back and inspecting all that data you sent them if they ever are interested in you. Another secondary use of telemetry is selling it to someone else to squeeze out a bit more money. There's no downside to doing this, so any business that collects a lot of varied telemetry and likes making money might as well do it. And once the data is in the hands of adtech businesses, it becomes a whole lot more like tracking you personally than just collecting some data for development. In Google's case, you don't even need to hand it over to anyone else, everything stays in-house.


Do you imply that it's not possible for the US intelligence agencies to request this data from google per person of interest and deliver some information from the metadata?

I heavily doubt that.


What does it matter in practice? Do you seriously think Google, the targeted advertisement company, does not use that Telemetry for targeted advertisements?

Yes, I do seriously think that Google does not use anonymous telemetry for ad targeting.

Are you a lobbyist for Google, Apple, Meta, or the adtech industry? Because if you aren't, you are parroting their bullshit.

Save your keystrokes. I think I've seen that nickname express anti-consumer, pro-corporate, freedom-violating viewpoints in dozens of different threads on a pretty wide variety of topics at this point. Not once have I seen them take the pro-consumer stance.

The pro consumer standpoint is overly represented on this platform so often I can simply upvote points I agree with.

I am not a lobbyist, but I do recognize the great value the adtech industry provides to society and I am familiar with the common arguments and strategies people try and use to undermine it and sow distrust.

Genuinely curious to hear what great value you think is being delivered to society by adtech.

Any articles highlighting the great value?

> I do recognize the great value the adtech industry provides to society

good one, very funny.


This SaaS actually will be replaced with an in house vibecoded solution.

>There is only one source of feedback that moves at the speed of AI-generated code: yourself

Humans are way slower than AI. If you want feedback as fast as AI you are going to need AI for that.


I do. Illegal activities can be dealt with by the legal system without needing to be publicized first.

The legal system makes illegal activities part of the public record.

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