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This guys have it rough. I used to call them a lot and I can't recall a single instance where I saw someone raising their voice had a better outcome. The only had a more stressful call.

The operator pushes it a lot but consider this: he is probably paid like shit and he probably get commission on how many customers he can retain. Maybe if he loses too many he can even lose his job. Knowing this and knowing that their job is extremely horrible(getting called names all day) what I see here is not the operator's fault at all. I see a person crushed by a job that he might be losing taking the blame for problems that he didn't cause(maybe in this instance but they often do). The only thing I have for someone like this is a kind word instead of rage. If you are unsatisfied at the end of the call, send a complaint letter about the service, do not take it on the operator.

(Obviously there are exceptions where the operators are just assholes)



You must be a saint.

I don't really care much for the commissions, or the livelihoods, of people who knowingly take jobs that make other people's lives worse. I know in some locales call-centre jobs are the best (in terms of compensation) they can get, and I'm sorry that that's the state of affairs the world is in, but if they're willing to make my life miserable to make theirs a bit better, they can put up with being shouted at from time to time.


As far as I know call centre jobs are not very high paying, they are just the only job people can get.


Except it's more like they're willing to make your life a little more irritating in order to massively improve their lives and those of their dependents.


That is a bit like worrying about the innocents working on the deathstar.

They know what kind of job it is. They do it anyway.


Very few people have the job flexibility that many of us here on HN have. This may be the best-paying job available to this person, or the only job they were able to get that they can effectively travel to -- regardless, given the unpleasant nature of the work, it's unreasonable to assume that they meaningfully "chose" the job without additional evidence.


It's not exactly working for the Spanish Inquisition. The guy was annoying and wasted 20 minutes of the client's time. I wouldn't say it's ethical, let's not overreact.


Sure, but you're not going to hurt the Death Star by screaming at one of the welders and insulting him. How does that help anything?


Ah, the famous "Only doing its job" excuse.

Yes, their job is shitty, but when your job is to bully people (by phone or otherwise), don't expect rainbows and unicorns.


I don't know how the situation for jobs in the US is but in Italy, where I had my experience, the people that do this job don't do it because it's their dream job but because they have bills to pay and finding "something better" is not always easy.


But this is hacker news, where homeless people just need to learn how to write apps and bootstrap themselves out of abject poverty.

Part of accepting capitalism to such an extent as HN is a brutal lack of empathy.


Job market isn't great here either (France, so not as bad as Italy), and I perfectly understand one taking a shitty job to support one's family.

Still, getting a job where you are paid with my money to harass me is not the way to get on my good side. Either way, I never take those calls, and never take anonymous calls either, unless I'm looking for a job.

Beside, that kind of behavior from a company here (in France at least, and probably most of Europe) is probably illegal.


They may have it rough but there is no way I would take the kind of abuse that was on the recording.

Raising his voice and getting audibly angry would have likely shut down her incessant line of questioning pretty quickly.

It doesn't even have to be a genuine anger...I've done this quite a bit. If I am in a hurry and a service rep ever starts to pry questions into the conversation I just make a little huff and puff and they will generally decide to move the conversation along by just doing as I asked in the first place.

You don't have to be abusive to get your point across...just let them know you aren't listening to their bullshit.


I think I'd try negotiating directly with the operator: "How much commission do you get if I don't cancel? Oh, $50? Well, tell me your paypal or bitcoin address and I'll send you that much if you disconnect this right now..."




Get. A. Better. Job.


But this job has much better service, guaranteed! You've been with us for a long time, why leave now?


Put your money where your mouth is. Go to these people. Teach them how to get better jobs.


Or just hire them.


Only if he's going to give them a better job than what they have. Otherwise it doesn't count.




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