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Bitcoin isn't a "virtual currency," it's a "digital currency." "Virtual" means "simulated." Money in video games is "virtual currency."


If you're going to argue semantics, you need to make sure that you get the semantics correct.

The most common use of "virtual" is "being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted" (from Merriam Webster Dictionary). By this, the most common definition, Bitcoin is most definitely a "virtual currency".


> Bitcoin isn't a "virtual currency," it's a "digital currency."

Maybe to you, but not to, e.g., the US Department of Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). See definitions at: http://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001....

The FinCEN definition is probably more widely used than whatever rule you are using that excludes Bitcoin as a virtual currency.


FinCEN is incorrect. Go look up the definition and history of the word "virtual." And I've been making this point since before FinCEN started caring about bitcoin.

I don't know if you understand that the government does not create truth.


> FinCEN is incorrect.

No, they aren't.

> Go look up the definition and history of the word "virtual."

Even if that supported your argument (which it doesn't, see next paragraph), it wouldn't matter, because the meanings of phrases aren't necessarily determined by the meanings and/or history of the component words in isolation.

But FinCEN's definition of "virtual currency" is consistent with the common definition of "virtual". Their definition of "virtual currency" is exactly the #1 definition of virtual [1] applied to the uncontroversial definition of "currency". (And calling Bitcoin virtual currency would also be consistent with definition #4, particularly definition #4a, though some non-electronic entities that would meet FinCEN's definition would be excluded by that definition.)

> And I've been making this point since before FinCEN started caring about bitcoin.

You being wrong for a long time doesn't make you any less wrong.

> I don't know if you understand that the government does not create truth.

I don't know if you understand that legal definitions established by government do create meanings that are used in legal documents such as contracts, terms of service, etc., whether or not they are "truth" in some abstract, idealized sense.

[1] from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virtual


In what sense is bitcoin NOT a currency?

It has to not be a currency to be a virtual currency, by the definition you favor.

Any answer I can imagine that you would give would invalidate other things we all consider currencies, unless you draw a line based on non-fundamental properties (e.g. such as backing by government force or market cap). And you can't form a proper concept using non-fundamental properties.

So the definition you favor actually supports my view, though I think the definition you favor lacks appropriate context and nuance (which is often true of dictionary definitions).

Talking about the government defining something creating meaning is just irrelevant. You're obviously telling me things I already know, but the government is technically incorrect on this. Just as they are on calling capital gains "unearned income," for example, since many successful investors work hard and do earn their income.


> It has to not be a currency to be a virtual currency, by the definition you favor.

incorrect.


> being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted

Here is the definition he favors, it has to be not formally recognized or admitted as a currency to fit this definition.

I shouldn't even have bothered responding to such a worthless comment.


> "Virtual" means "simulated."

According to whom? I usually hear it used to mean "existing in an electronic form."


"Virtual" is a much broader term than that with a long history. And in everyday English, it is typically used in accordance with that history.

It's confusing because a lot of stuff on the computer is virtual---but not all.

For instance, we don't call nytimes.com a "virtual newspaper" and we don't call Internet fora like this one "virtual fora".

The world of Warcraft is a "virtual world" because it is a simulation of a world.


> "Virtual" is a much broader term than that with a long history.

It is a much broader term with a long history -- which makes it odd that you are arguing for a wierdly narrow definition that is inconsistent with that long history.


And it has suffered similar abuse to "cyber-".

(Gus P.: ...which is come from the Greek word "kybernetes", meaning "steersman".)

Whenever words achieve buzzword status, that long and rich history and etymology goes out the window. But in the sense that "virtual" means "form without substance", it has not suffered nearly as much abuse. If a virtual currency is just a medium of exchange without a concrete physical embodiment, such as notes or tokens, that definition is not so narrow.

Even the USD and the EUR are mostly virtual currencies nowadays. The fraction of the money supply represented by banknotes and coins as opposed to accounting ledger entries on secured bank servers is small and decreasing.

As a disambiguator, either "ersatz" or "crypto-" would be less affected by buzzword distortions.


Even though your definition might be more precise/sensible, bitcoin as "virtual currency" is a term-of-art at this point: Both FinCEN and the ECB have defined virtual currencies to include bitcoin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_currency




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