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> Why the strawman?

The Gulag Archipelago.

> Marx was not 100% wrong, he was just wrong some very specific and important places.

Of course he wasn't 100% wrong. All modern developed countries have adopted some of his ideas, such as public schools and laws against child labor.

His notions of an Apocalyptic struggle between Labor and Management, his totalizing philosophy which seeks to explain all social conditions through one dialectic, and his refusal to admit that capitalist countries could adopt some of his ideas and stay capitalist, however, lead to some of the worst regimes in history, and we can't forget that.



Do you also blame Nietzsche for Nazism?

Marx analysed quite correctly the era he lived in and the problem with capitalism. He was just wrong to think that this would never change.

For instance today may of us are the owners of our own means of production. You don't need your employer to buy you a machine and they can't just replace you without having lost the knowledge that you represent.

Marx didn't live in such a world and thus his premise wasn't universal enough.


> Do you also blame Nietzsche for Nazism?

Of course not. Marx was directly responsible for Communism because he laid the blueprints, and the USSR implemented them. Therefore, Marx is responsible for the USSR.


But communism was not what happened in the USSR.


Yes, it was. It's dishonest to claim that your system has never been tried when it has been tried and failed.

You can go down the list of things the Communist Manifesto proposed and see that the USSR did all of them: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Marxism.html


Ahh yeah when you are out of arguments go for the persons motives right? Where have I ever claimed to that communism was my system? Pray tell.

I think you need to read up on history my friend. And perhaps read the actual work of Marx before being so cock sure about what you are claiming.

Then we can have an adult discussion about the many issues with communism.


Your condescension means you didn't read my cite or engage me honestly at all. And I even picked out the easy-to-read citation, too.


...lead to some of the worst regimes in history, and we can't forget that.

Yeah, because without his ideas, Russia would have turned into a well functioning capitalist democracy. The past 20 years have been pure bliss now that the burden of communism has been cast off- since there is now no way for power hungry leaders to control the nation.


> The past 20 years have been pure bliss now that the burden of communism has been cast off

The past 20 years were directly preceded by 70 years of the USSR. If modern race relations in the US can be blamed on slavery and Jim Crow, both of which have been dead for longer than the USSR has, then Russia's modern problems can be blamed on Marxism and Leninism.


...can be blamed on Marxism and Leninism.

Well yeah, you can blame it. Doesn't make it true. Of course a country can't magically be divorced from what happened 20 years ago, but the point behind my sarcasm was it is exceptionally naive to assume Russia's problems were caused solely because it was nominally communist.


> it was nominally communist.

Not just nominally. It went down the list of the Communist Manifesto and implemented things, and it wound up with Stalin.


Woah, I didn't know when one thing preceded another that it is certain that thing caused the other. Thanks for opening my eyes.


In your mind, has Communism ever been responsible for bad things happening?

Could I prove to you, even in theory, that Communism has bad outcomes? What kind of evidence would I need?


By that logic. All makers of bread knifes and hammers are responsible for murders being done with them.




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