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That last one’s going to need some substantiation.

“In the ordinary course of providing our service, WhatsApp does not store messages once they are delivered or transaction logs of such delivered messages. Undelivered messages are deleted from our servers after 30 days. As stated in the WhatsApp Privacy Policy, we may collect, use, preserve, and share user information if we have a good-faith belief that it is reasonably necessary to (a) keep our users safe, (b) detect, investigate, and prevent illegal activity, (c) respond to legal process, or to government requests, (d) enforce our Terms and policies. This may include information about how some users interact with others on our service. We also offer end-to-end encryption for our services, which is always activated. End-to-end encryption means that messages are encrypted to protect against WhatsApp and third parties from reading them.” (https://faq.whatsapp.com/444002211197967)

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I believe it was the automatic unencrypted weekly data upload to Google Drive

Can you post a link?

No. It's a special arrangement between Google and WhatsApp which makes a file only visible to WhatsApp, and not appear in your regular drive so you can't do normal cloud file operations like generating public links.

It's not a "Special Arrangement", it's a feature in Google Drive when an app does a backup rather than "upload".

Without evidence of this “special arrangement” I don’t see why anyone should believe you. You made a claim that is directly contrary to WhatsApp’s published materials and they have a lot to lose if you are correct. On the other hand, if your accusation is false, it’s tantamount to libel.

How's this? Not sure if it's the same issue but it's much more damning than the one I knew about. https://www.techspot.com/news/112232-federal-agent-whatsapp-...

You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too.


> You know how I found this link? Googling WhatsApp encryption backdoor. You could have too.

No need for the attitude. Op asked you for a source, which is customary for one to back up their initial claim; an onus on you and not for someone else to validate your claims.


All I asked for was specific examples while acknowledging what I hated about the platforms progression.

I'm not sure why you're replying to me, my comment was for the person I replied to and whom I quoted (inigyou)

My guess is that this person is using multiple HN accounts and is getting them mixed up.

Had a similar thought, very messy conversation.

Nope, just got confused who was replying to who in this thread while loading site from mobile.



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