> Is the "Quiet Car" really as intellectual as Kreider makes it out to be? Is it really full of readers and intellectualists, people that take pride in knowledge and are aloof from the mundane?
No.
> This is an interesting situation: put the people you're most likely to enjoy a good, thought-provoking, intellectual, factually-backed, philosophical conversation in a car together... where they take a vow of silence for the duration of the ride.
Perhaps the worst place imaginable to find interesting conversation is in groups of self-selected "intelligentsia". People talking to each other who are getting a sense of validation from sounding clever leads to the kind of drivel that makes Ayn Rand fans over-excitable, and other people despair of the state of humanity.
If you're looking for thought-provoking and intelligent conversation, cultivate a group of friends who you like listening to, but at NO POINT advertise it as some kind of salon. If you're in a big city, there are often large groups of people who work in finance with brains the size of planets, and absolutely no intellectual outlet. I have had great success with "dinner clubs" where the stated aim is to eat good food and drink nice wine... Alternatively I have been led to thoughts of homicide by people gathering to have "clever conversations".
You perfectly summed up what I have been feeling about quite a few people ever since I first met them.
Very typically they are the "oh no I do not own a television set" type because allegedly 100% ALL of TV is just pure nonsense and not a single good program has EVER been shown on TV, according to them. And they always make it a very grave point in ever conversation that they read books and a certain book said this-and-that. As if the fact they read a printed book alone really sets them apart from the rest of the population and this kind of information could have never been shared on TV or a good website. Yet they fail to apply anything they read in an actual conversation where they are actually responding to the other person and adapting things to the given context of the conversation and not just dropping names and empty, allegedly-sophisticated phrases.
And then they always make it another grave point to tell everyone how much they value and require intelligent conversation and how they see themselves as educated and well-read and they make sure to drop the right names and point to that fact as often as possible.
I think that is why those self-proclaimed "intelligence salons" are so horrible, specifically because they attract this kind of people.
No.
> This is an interesting situation: put the people you're most likely to enjoy a good, thought-provoking, intellectual, factually-backed, philosophical conversation in a car together... where they take a vow of silence for the duration of the ride.
Perhaps the worst place imaginable to find interesting conversation is in groups of self-selected "intelligentsia". People talking to each other who are getting a sense of validation from sounding clever leads to the kind of drivel that makes Ayn Rand fans over-excitable, and other people despair of the state of humanity.
If you're looking for thought-provoking and intelligent conversation, cultivate a group of friends who you like listening to, but at NO POINT advertise it as some kind of salon. If you're in a big city, there are often large groups of people who work in finance with brains the size of planets, and absolutely no intellectual outlet. I have had great success with "dinner clubs" where the stated aim is to eat good food and drink nice wine... Alternatively I have been led to thoughts of homicide by people gathering to have "clever conversations".