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Perhaps the bar should be as high as law and medicine if we want people to take our industry just as seriously.


Nope. In my opinion Wild West in software is much preferred model. If one wants to create software and sell it there should be no barriers. It is one of the the very few fields that give chance to simple people with no money to break out and live decent life.


Tbh I think it depends on the domain you are coding for. The field is so diverse across many different parts of the economy. E-Commerce web app sure go for your life -> software for controlling some life support system... yeah maybe I want someone with qualifications and audited standards thanks.


Life support and controls system should absolutely have a high standard, but even E-Commerce should have a decent bar. If you're handling my money I expect you to be an adult.


I develop software for various areas. The ones that come anywhere close to regulated areas surely gets audited.


>"software for controlling some life support system..."

I believe there are processes to ensure this kind of software is safe (obviously to a degree).


Sure. But audits/processes only catch up to a point. In the end the buck stops with a professional. That's what most "professions" are. They aren't just a service -> they are an accreditation with some recourse which gives them prestige/social status/etc if they have years of experience (i.e. despite the risk imposed on them as a professional they have survived/thrived).


>"In the end the buck stops with a professional."

Where did you get the idea that "professionals" do not fuck up. They do it just as much as mere mortals.


Just make sure to save up before ageism kicks in.


Its not common that people in our industry don't have bachelor degrees anymore. Its also not an industry where I routinely find the majority of people come from lower economic backgrounds etc.

I think a fair compromise would be not to require specific degrees to test, but rather a service fee (which could be sponsored) but I think a similar rigorous standards based exam would do wonders for our industry, even if it trims who can enter it on the margins


>"Its not common that people in our industry don't have bachelor degrees anymore. Its also not an industry where I routinely find the majority of people come from lower economic backgrounds etc."

It does not matter what you "routinely find". Live and let live. Person has an inherent right to make living however they see fit unless it actively harms others.

If you are so concerned about degrees why not to start with the one of a "decent human" and require it from politicians. Those fuckers affect us way more than any software and and mostly walk free no matter haw badly they fuck someone's life


Your attitude is completely off-base. Would you get treated by a doctor who was not recognized by the AMA? Would you hire a lawyer who was not called to the bar, or an accountant who was not chartered or equivalent?

Yet somehow a high school education is sufficient to write software for a 4000 lbs vehicle moving at 60 mph.


>"Yet somehow a high school education is sufficient to write software for a 4000 lbs vehicle moving at 60 mph."

Cut the BS please. Safety critical software gets audited and other measures are taken to insure it stays safe to a degree. However if one wants to write software for let's say music synthesizer the only thing that matter is the person ability. In this case I would look for experience, list of completed projects and other relevant info. I would not give a rat's ass about their diploma. Some of the best / successful software was often created by domain experts who learned how to program.


> Cut the BS please. Safety critical software gets audited and other measures are taken to insure it stays safe to a degree.

Oh? BS is it? Pray tell who's auditing Tesla's software? Or Waymo's for that matter?


I am sure Tesla can show you all the licenses and creds you'll ever need


because our industry would improve massively if we actually removed a barrier to allowing standardized licensure

I also never said it should be held behind a degree, instead I said a fee, which could be sponsored. No degree required, though one certainly would help I imagine.

We live in a society, and we should think beyond the individual in terms of benefits. This would be a big win for society.


>"because our industry would improve massively if we actually removed a barrier to allowing standardized licensure"

I call BS on that but each one of course is entitled to their own opinion. Go get your license if you don't have one already.

>"..instead I said a fee, which could be sponsored. No degree required, though one certainly would help I imagine."

We have enough mafia type bloodsuckers. My take on those money collectors: go fuck yourselves.

>"We live in a society, and we should think beyond the individual in terms of benefits. This would be a big win for society."

And who would be thinking? Our masters looking to squeeze yet more money from people? Enough of that "won't anyone think of children" vomit.


What would be on such an exam? Pseudocode, logic puzzles?

Certainly not specifics on any particular technology, right?


those generic screener questions aren't technology specific. Data structures, algorithms, system design (the top 3 that show up in interviews), none of which are technology specific.

Throw in best practices like TDD, code security, and architectural patterns and I think you could hit all of the most common non technology specific domains that cover it




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