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Where I live in SW Missouri during 2020 most of my neighbors refused to wear masks and 72% were infected in that 1st year. Among those who did wear them less than half wore the properly. Most of those I saw wearing them did not cover their nose. I guess that was their way of protesting against the local mandate to wear them.

So there is really no way to analyze the effectiveness of masks if you simply ask "did you wear a mask?" and "did you get infected with Covid?".

I can say that my wife and I did wear masks and we did not get infected with covid. And that we bought a box of N95 grade masks as soon as those were available, which was around the beginning of 2021. We both wore them until the vaccines were available, and we've both got the jab and booster shots as recommended.

The last statistic given by the County here was over a year ago and it said that 78% of the residents had been infected with covid and around 450 were killed by it. That's pretty close to 1 in 100 who live here. Most of those killed by it here were elderly and in nursing homes that 1st year.

I started working with my father customizing cars when I was 14 years old in 1973 and from the very start I wore both paper masks and respirators with filters and way back then I took a lot guff from guys who considered that to be unmanly, so even back then there was a stigma involved with wearing those.

Back then I figured it was a "macho man" thing, but during covid women here also refused to wear them, or wear them properly, and they would sneer at me too when I was wearing one in a store.

I'm not a sociologist but this is something that deserves being studied.



> I can say that my wife and I did wear masks and we did not get infected with covid.

When did you stop?

I have been wearing N95s everywhere since the pandemic began and I don't think I've been infected yet, but according to the wastewater data, it seems the virus is still very prevalent in population.

In fact, it seems another wave is building right now.


I know many people who wore N95 masks all the time who were infected. More than once too.


I really don't know what to make of that. I can say we did make a point to keep a distance from others, changed our masks pretty often, and we both used hand sanitizer when we were out in public spaces, so it's possible that made a difference.

We were both in our 60s when this crud began, the low end of the high risk group, so could be were more cautious than most.


I’m sure that the aggregate of cautious behavior by people who are willing to wear masks is responsible for at least some of the perceived effectiveness.

My wife and I also have worn masks a lot - but we also tend to avoid crowded indoor events almost entirely now, and use hand sanitizer whenever we leave a public place. We were also quick to get each of our vaccinations.


I think it’s hard to tell with all of the variables involved. I tried to stay away from crowded indoor locations. I wore masks when they were required and wasn’t infected.


Wearing a mask is more effective at preventing you from spreading virus particles if you’re infected than it is at preventing you from being infected.


True, but mostly because it lacks specifics.

Wearing a N95 mask correctly and washing your hands consistently is _quite_ effective at protecting you (and others).

Wearing a nonsense cloth mask, not terribly well fitted, protects you a little bit but mostly protects others some.

In between those it varies.

Nothing does much if you're not washing your hands before touching your face.

People also ignore that initial viral load can be a lot lower from masks (depending) even if you do get infected, which can help with severity.


Your comment does read like 'My grandma has smoked 20 a day all her life and she's still alive at 90'. statistics do not preclude people from being luckier or unluckier than the average.


Yes and you sound like those commenters who post "correlation does not imply causation" as a response to everything without disproving causation.


I don't think they sound like that at all


> disproving causation

If the sequence is: 1- study that shows correlation between X and Y 2- someone says "X causes Y" referencing the study

then it is appropriate to point out that correlation does not imply causation. X may cause Y but you can't claim it based on the correlation study only. The burden of proof is on you. Nobody needs to disprove causation here.


We stopped wearing masks after about a month after our 1st vaccination. We've both kept up on those vaxxes since. I work from home so I'm so I'm rarely in crowds but my wife works at a resort and interacts with folks from all over and she's still not been infected.

One of our adult daughters refused to get vaxxed and came to visit for Christmas in 2022 and just 5 days after she arrived she got sick af here. She was in bed for 5 days. Her 2 children, who were 15 and 11 years old and not vaxxed didn't come down with any symptoms at all though and they stayed very close to her.

That same daughter has been infected 2 or 3 times since then and is now dealing with "long covid" issues.

I expect we will see another wave soon as well. People will be gathering and sharing it again. That happened last year and nothing much has changed since aside from the severity of infections, and that probably had do so with natural immunity from prior infections, and folks are still dying from it.

The vaxxes have worked for us though so we'll keep up on them.


I like your comment because it doesn't necessarily make any direct attributions, while covering some breadth and depth of your observed social environment and the regional stats.

Growing up in skateboarding and bmx, there was a similar anti-helmet anti-pad sort of sentiment, perhaps a similar sort of anti-authority culture.

I have two shots, no boosters, and selectively wear a mask when a situation seems to call for it, and haven't yet tested positive, but I figure it's fairly likely I will eventually, or have and just haven't tested positive. Many many people I know have got it by this point, unless they're particularly isolated, as would be true in the general population.

My impression is that many vocal people vehemently picked one extreme take or the other, likely in opposition to each other.

I wore it in the outdoors for like a week, and then on transit and in cafes etc.. I never felt particularly strongly one way or another, and still don't, but just as tiring as hearing anti-mask people go on their rants were my interactions with people who clearly wanted to be seen wearing it more than they actually believed it to be useful, along with those who were/are adamant that not wearing a mask meant you're trying to kill people.

For example, doing outdoor sports without a mask, and then putting one on to post a video on Instagram, or finding a way to bring up covid long after 2021 for the purpose of trying to bait a conflicting opinion out and subsequently beating that horse to death.

Getting stuck in any of those situations/conversations was perhaps most convincing in that I should continue not really being concerned with the opinions of others, quite the opposite of being persuaded to either wear or not wear a mask. Getting both sides of it, somewhat regularly, indicated to me that everyone has some inane axe to grind and mostly just wants someone to listen.

What I'll remember most about the pandemic was how much pointless and tiresome division it brought forth, how unhealthy the reaction was for me personally in terms of shutting everything down, and just hoping none of the vulnerable members of my family succumbed to it. The only thing I'd do differently in retrospect would be to have engaged those people less, because it never made the day any better, and good days were tough to come by.


Most of those here didn't wear a mask. When the local mandate to wear them was imposed that just pissed people off here and I got scowled at when wearing them but I refused to react to it and that's as far as it ever went.

I never reacted any different at all to those who were not wearing them. I understood early on wearing those masks were not for my protection and I really did not want to infect anyone.

The N95 masks were a way to protect myself and others at the same time so I kept up with when they'd become available and got them as soon as I could, and made a point to use them, and we gave quite a few to others. My wife brought them to where she works and handed them out. They'd been wearing cloth masks there up until then.

You're spot on about the division. Like I said, I took a lot of guff early on for wearing a mask here. Honestly, I think no small reason that stopped happening here is because so many got infected here and after dealing with it themselves they settled down on shitting on those wearing masks or getting vaxxed.

I see a few people wearing a mask when I go to the big box stores in town now and no one pays any attention to it.


> You're spot on about the division. Like I said, I took a lot of guff early on for wearing a mask here. Honestly, I think no small reason that stopped happening here is because so many got infected here and after dealing with it themselves they settled down on shitting on those wearing masks or getting vaxxed.

> I see a few people wearing a mask when I go to the big box stores in town now and no one pays any attention to it.

I think something to this effect happens quite frequently in a bunch of different domains. Some level of emotional intensity, hype, or posturing one way or the other, until we settle on something more reasonable, with only a few still holding onto a pitchfork or whatever, it's an optimization problem.

I do have a suspicion though that these extremes will re-surface if it happens again soon, rather than be more moderate, and I hope I'm wrong because it's exhausting. At the very least I hope people and local governments remember which part of their conduct wasn't evidently helpful to the people they ostensibly serve or want to be around, but some portion of the population will be encountering that for the first time.

Based on various interactions I had during and after, I'm cautious about the people I spend time with now, because sometimes I'll get the subtle feeling that even though there haven't *yet* been extremely polarizing opinions about some inane issue, I feel like I can sense when a person is susceptible to being extremely sensitive toward something I'm not.

I think people need a break from their phones and Internet tbh.


One of the often not talked about problems is that lots of masks were terrible and the quality in general was very variable.

There are some really great ones, and there are plenty that are quite difficult to breathe through. The N95 standard for breathability would pass some pretty bad ones.

Most places sold all sorts of badly quality controlled masks and it was a crapshoot what you got. And less breathable didn’t necessarily mean better protection.

Plenty would also collapse onto your mouth or not etc.

Some people definitely had a nicer time than others with them.




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