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You think a jury will reasonably believe that Warner was sending tends of thousands of bogus takedowns every day? I don't.


First, I would note that they upped that limit when asked to. Second, you don't think they get totally careless when they have no limits on direct deletion? I have seen that carelessness. But I've also actually read through many of the mass DMCA notices that have been made public. For example, that one where someone took down the TD article on SOPA. It wasn't even hard for me to find the links that didn't belong just by skimming through the notice[1]. Or some in the Viacom v. YouTube case, where Viacom found out several times that it was taking down files it had, itself, put up. And this after Viacom's expensive lawyers were supposedly finished going over everything with a fine-toothed comb.

Lastly, you might want to reread Sony Betamax, particularly the part about how a service capable of substantial non-infringing uses can be legal even when they know it is often used for infringement. Sure, you're probably not aware of those non-infringing uses because those people kept their files relatively private, rather than distributing them to all and sundry, but ignorance cannot be made into much of an argument. You seem to think of it as a "pirate site" and I doubt I can change your mind, no matter how many non-infringing users I could find. It's a hard point to make when the infringing uses were necessarily public and the non-infringing uses were almost all private.

Yes, I am aware that you could come back with better arguments than the statements you've made upthread that argue directly against Betamax, but I'll let you make your own. You're also entitled to think that Betamax was a bad ruling, if you like, but if that's the case I'll simply have to disagree. After the long history of hyperbolic comments from industry leaders about how every new mass-distribution technology would kill the industry, I would not like to see a future without the Betamax ruling.

[1] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120223/15102217856/key-te...


The notices are a red herring.

Check out Popehat.com for a federal prosecutor (now in private practice, I think) explaining why the DMCA safe harbor doesn't even apply in criminal cases... but, even if it did, who cares? The DMCA safe harbor is an AND construction. You have to satisfy three tests: (a) not knowing about infringement yourself, (b) not benefiting financially from piracy, and (c) responding expeditiously to takedown notices.

As soon as the DoJ got MU's email, it was all over. They themselves not only used the system repeatedly for piracy (in far, far more documented instances than just 50 Cent and Louis Armstrong) but also paid bonuses to people they knew had been uploading DVD rips to the site --- paid bonuses that tracked those very uploads.

I disagree on with the conclusions this thread has come to about the DMCA safe harbor, but really... what are we arguing about here?


I've read that. It was a very good article. Think I even commented on it when it hit HN, but I don't recall offhand. But for all that, they have to extradite him first. They probably will, mind you, but it remains to be seen. There have been enough goofs already to create at least a little doubt.

I'm not saying they've done nothing illegal, just that the argument over the notices isn't a particularly strong one. Like I said, there are much better arguments.


Agreed.

The indictment itself is hilarious. It just goes on & on & on.


I read that too, though I skimmed a few sections. I think I recall a comment from a lawyer (possibly a prosecutor?) who said that if they could prove even half of those claims at trial, they'd have the MU crew down for criminal infringement many times over.

There's no question that this is an uphill battle for them.


I can only hope they kept logs of all takedown requests. Now they only need to find a reasonable sample. Honestly, I believe that even if they tried hard not to make mistakes, at this volume they would get some false-positives - and that's as good explanation as I can imagine. Now the question is - can Mega* guys prove enough of cases like that. Or maybe they have other explanation for the quotas - I don't know - I'm eager to hear more about it.


Assuming the limit was close to the average number of take down requests it's reasonable protection to prevent a buggy third party script from harming their site.


Megaupload had some data to support that allegation. There were articles about it on torrentfreaks not so long ago.




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