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This days there must be at least a few million more cameras then a few decades backa nd the alien or super natural images did not increased proportionally to the camera number as you would expect.

I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports, it was so popular at that time so people produced the content that was in demand.

i remember some TV show that was presented some old temple and claiming something like "only aliens would have had tools to cut this rocks at such perfect angles" - then when I had Internet access and check that temple I see it was made from sandstone (a very soft materials) and the freaking angles were not precise by a mile... so makes you wonder should there be consequences for this kind of intentional lying for cache ? (I mean in general and I understand that USA is super special).



Hey, aliens aren't stupid! They know that we've got more cameras nowadays and are more careful because of it.


> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports, it was so popular at that time so people produced the content that was in demand.

Rather than greed, I think it was just a meme. People got it in their minds that aliens in flying saucers were scooting around abducting cows, so they were psychologically primed to perpetuate the idea.


Well how else are they supposed to make their hamburgers? They don't have cows up there.

Ps more seriously, I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from. Was it the SR71 with its rounded shapes? Or does it predate that?


>I wonder where the whole flying saucer concept comes from.

Kenneth Arnold, an Air Force pilot in 1947 who reported seeing craft shaped like "saucers" or "pie plates" flying past Mount Ranier[0]. He never called them "flying saucers" specifically but after the press picked up the story, the term and the concept became popular. After that, flying saucers became a trope in sci-fi movies.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting


> an Air Force pilot in 1947

Nope, he was a private pilot.


My mistake. He was a pilot.


It predates that. One of the first sightings to use the word saucer was in 1878.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120819213938/http://www.americ...


Its called Attention Theft.


> I think the capitalistic "greed" caused all those old reports

Speaking as a USAF Veteran, they are very strict about honesty, and there's actually a whole set of meta-laws (the UCMJ, https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/the-uniform-code-...) which are stricter than civilian laws, that all members of the US military must adhere to. (Let's just say I got one personal taste of this during a "white lie" incident I was a part of.)

The pilots who reported "foo fighters" https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-... in WW2 were under the same rules.

I would therefore consider any reports by active military to be head and shoulders above others, at least on the assumption of dishonesty. (That still leaves the possibility of misperception, mis-recall, etc.... but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter: https://medium.com/@cotra.marko/wtf-is-sensor-fusion-part-1-... )


Also speaking as a USAF veteran, many of the people I worked with were bigots and liars. The enlisted corps is basically a cross section of the disadvantaged and uneducated while the officers are lightly educated nationalists. Hardly the paragons of virtue and integrity, the USAF core values aside.


> but if you consider each person an imperfect detector of information, then the more people reporting a thing, the more accurate the picture becomes thanks to sensor fusion/the Kalman filter:

Not necessarily. Adding a bunch of extra imperfect sensors is not the same as adding imperfect sensors with imperfect interpretations. The storage medium that interpretation is stored in is also imperfect. An accounting of that interpretation will change non-linearly depending on how many times it's described and how recently from the event it's described.

Adding more and more of these recountings don't necessarily mean you've got better data.


Yes it does. If you simply treat that drift as additional "error", you're still fundamentally dealing with an imperfect sensor with an error rate. And mathematically, that makes it all still fall under the Kalman filter metrics. (To be fair, you'd still need to quantify the reported thing somehow.)

Which should make intuitive sense. If 1 person claims they got raped by someone, and that is the only evidence against them, you might be skeptical. If 50 people claim they got raped by someone, and that is the only evidence against them, a reasonable position IMHO would be that the chances that this person is not a rapist are vanishingly small, even if (on average) 5 to 10% of the reports are non-truthful and motivated by perverse incentives (such as avoiding shame of promiscuity).

At some point we need to figure out how to deal with eyewitness evidence without complete dismissal, because complete dismissal of it is wrong (it's literally gaslighting- telling people that their reported experiences are irrelevant/invalid, which is the same as asserting that they didn't happen IMHO). Plenty of experiences (both positive and negative) happen that only have the retelling as the evidence, and ignoring all retellings omits a possibly large amount of evidential source of truth.


These military people are claiming other military people are lying and covering up evidence. So I guess it's a paradox, since no one in the military lies.

People aren't all that different no matter what group they join and no matter what values they espouse. Believing someone is above reproach just because they say they are is what let the Catholic Church get away with its atrocities for so long.


yep. And there's certainly examples of that:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/202...


hits from multiple radars simultaneously are not "camera quirks"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w#t=49

at some point if you have to bend over completely backwards in order to fit a square peg theory into a round hole (when all you have is the square peg, and the only reason why you don't have a round one is your incredulity), it starts to get ridiculous

I'll tell you what's ludicrous, the idea that we live alone in an unimaginably large universe and that no other intelligence has figured out FTL travel when we already know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

this is starting to look a lot like the people who didn't believe in meteorites despite all the claims of people reporting rocks from space landing in their backyards (granted, that's better physical evidence, at least, than we have now)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1803-rain-rocks-he...

It literally took 3,000 meteorites landing at once and numerous witnesses before the scientific community acknowledged that meteorites were real, despite the fact that they had no explanation for them at the time (which was the reason for their initial dismissal)

Sometimes, when a bunch of people report something for which the physical evidence is still scant, it's not always mass hysteria




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