And IMHO it's not surprising that fascism is back as well. Fascism has historically always been in the favor of those in economic power.
For me, the worst thing is: as a German, I grew up with "never again" and "at least us Germans learned from our own history, even if barely anyone else did" - and it's all been bullshit. We've learned nothing, we forgot everything once the last living reminders and witnesses from 1933-1945 died.
> And IMHO it's not surprising that fascism is back as well. Fascism has historically always been in the favor of those in economic power.
That's more to do with authoritarianism (ie. a strong state) than just fascism. In such a political climate, you're forced to be cozy with the state, because of how powerful it is. Doing so can get you favors with the government (eg. lucrative contracts, favorable legislation/foreign policy), and not doing so can result in your competitors outcompeting you or getting investigated and sent to the gulag.
Maybe saying it the other way around would have made it clearer. The ones in economic power have always (in case there was strong fascist movements) been in favor of fascism.
That's not an opinion but a historical fact. The Nazis in Germany were supported by large industrialists (Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben), how made a killing (quite literally). Similarly in Italy and Spain, the Fascists were supported by the big capitalists.
I think you will find out big industry supports any party/movement that is currently in power. Observe the war machine that was the USSR, or even modern day China.
It's self preservation, more than anything. Cross the powers that be, and you'll find hard times ahead (Jack Ma...). That's true regardless of political ideology.
My original point was some people's definition of fascism is absurd given historical or modern contexts. But it's a fun whip to crack.
The industrialist supported the Nazis, Fascists etc getting into power. That was certainly not the case in Russia or China. Saying that industrialists supported the regime in the Soviet Union is also a bit rich, considering that they essentially did not exist.
So what is a correct definition of fascism in your opinion? Are you contesting that the Nazis in Germany, Mussolini in Italy or Franco in Spain were Facists? The whole point the previous poster made was essentially all of these got into power with significant support by the ruling economic powers.
What Russian or Chinese corporations supported the communist revolutions that arose in those companies? Modern Chinese SOEs do not count, they are a creature of Dengist reforms introduced decades after the initial revolutionary victories.
For me, the worst thing is: as a German, I grew up with "never again" and "at least us Germans learned from our own history, even if barely anyone else did" - and it's all been bullshit. We've learned nothing, we forgot everything once the last living reminders and witnesses from 1933-1945 died.