Why? The alternative to censoring the topic is to let all the facts emerge.
berntb can mention Hamas bombing civilians and Jewish expulsions, and I can mention the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and Israeli actions against the Occupy movement. I don't need to negate his points or convince him of anything.
Once all the facts are on the table we can then trust the Hacker News readership to be intelligent enough to decide for themselves.
...the fact that you misuse the term "ethnic cleansing" is annoying enough for me to respond, but this is my last reply to this thread.
County X has two populations, the zarbs and the tiwks. The zarbs kill all the tiwks. The zarbs have been ethnically cleansed.
You may think this is a trivial point. But you're talking to an international audience, and you're talking about a subject where language is analysed in minute detail for perceived insult or support or whatnot.
>>The alternative to censoring the topic is to let all the facts emerge.
That would be a normal discussion. This isn't.
When I noted the official acceptance and idolising of terror, even murdering sleeping children with a knife, you "countered" by judging a very heterogeneous country by a T-shirt...
Just to not let the Israeli side be less than evil -- or better than "your" side in anything.
I commented on the insanity of the "argument" three times -- you just wrote that your T-shirt claim proved something!
1) Can you give an example of worse argumentation, ever?
2) Do you really think anyone wants to read that kind of garbage?
Edit: So it is clear. My point is that the facts won't emerge when the people debating lie and use obfuscation (i.e. lots of text) when they are plain wrong.
Also, your claim that it is possible to debate this subjects with fanatics is proven wrong. QED.
Edit: Since you don't seem to know it, you can find groups having most any opinion in a democracy. So activist web sites is not exactly the best support.
You said "the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)"
Thereby condemning the whole Palestinian "side" on the basis of unspecified "people".
I pointed out that the Israeli side do do that too. You then claimed it was only "some"
Israelis. I pointed out that in fact it was the people pulling the trigger. And I provided references.
And I never claimed that every Israeli glorified that; in fact I have referenced Israelis who do not.
So in fact I have nothing to answer you for.
However, you have to answer for smearing the entire Palestinian side without providing a single reference.
Apart from unsubstantiated assertions, the information content of your posts has been nil.
I will charitably presume that you meant to condemn Hamas.
In that case, let the facts against Hamas stand. And let the facts stand about the Israeli destruction of Palestinian infrastructure - which was the original topic. Readers are smart enough to make up their own minds.
I don't need to "debate" you point by point, especially since you go off topic and into ad-hominems.
And Hacker News doesn't need your permission to cover topics you are uncomfortable about.
Since you don't seem to understand -- I argue that this is an impossible subject on HN, since the fanatics are just insane.
You support my position when you e.g. quote an 86 year old individual and political activists to "show" your position -- i.e. that the Israeli side is evil and guilty of everything bad that happened.
>>Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists
You assumed I wouldn't check back a few days later, so you could safely add another dishonest strawman attack?
Already in the brother comment to yours, I gave a link to one of my comments which answer this latest strawman. The relevant quote from it:
You do realize that there is a difference between an official policy (mural paintings and celebrations when children are murdered with a knife in their sleep, etc) -- and the attitudes of individuals.
I have made it repeatedly clear that I am talking about the innocent Palestinian civilians and not "official policy".
If you want to change the subject to "official policy", then state whose official policy. Specifically who. Hamas? Fatah? Who?
Unless it is somehow the "official policy" of the individual villagers being deprived of electricity in the original solar cells story, I will not be impressed.
Oh, and provide references. Your word isn't good enough.
I have been sprinkling references throughout my posts and, last time I checked, you had not not provided even one, yet you accuse me of dishonesty?
This time you came back 9 days later to ger the last word...
In my previous comment I showed that you knowingly lied about my opinions, then argued against your straw man.
Then, you claim I have nerve?!
And after you lie to make an argument, it is a bit late to start muttering about references.
(Besides, the latest discussion was your claim that the Mideast is a good subject for HN, which obviously is not the case -- because of the lying hate propagandists. Again, thanks for proving my point.)
berntb can mention Hamas bombing civilians and Jewish expulsions, and I can mention the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and Israeli actions against the Occupy movement. I don't need to negate his points or convince him of anything.
Once all the facts are on the table we can then trust the Hacker News readership to be intelligent enough to decide for themselves.