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maybe I'm just an asshole but I've felt whatever is the opposite of sonder these days when I come across people that are so clueless and inattentive they might as well be zombies.


I try to remind myself that there are perfectly fine reasons for this to occur. For example, the person might suffer from insomnia. They might have a lower functioning brain due to developmental issues. They may have been in an accident which caused brain trauma. They might operate on a wavelength sufficiently different from you in that moment such that communication seems impossible, and you perceive that as their deficiency rather than a mutual problem.

The reasons to be compassionate are far more realistic and numerous than the possibility of a person being a zombie. It’s best to assume they have a story and a reason attached to their current state that, given time to consider, you would probably relate to them easily.


The most common explanation is one that didn't make your list, which is that they might not care at all about the subject being discussed. If it's a work situation that prompted it, that's by far the most likely answer to why they aren't using any brainpower to think about how to use the new system: their brainpower is already being used in the background to compare fishing lures. :-)


Absolutely! I love this point.

This was me as a child, quite literally. What kind of lure should I use after school at the lake, and how can I function minimally to survive class until then?

My teachers thought I was a complete idiot, haha.


There's another explanation which should be very realistically considered, but which people are (probably intentionally) blind to: they're not as dumb as you think, and you're not as smart as you think.


Or, they might have been zombies for real. That is, people who merely exist, but do not really live anymore. The world is full of them.

People who have no more hopes or dreams, other than to make it somehow through the day.


These people likely have rich inner lives. What makes it hard to hope and dream other than incredible sensitivity, difficult experiences, and complex stories and histories that paralyze a person as they move through life?

Life can be incredibly difficult. It can become scary to dream. The will and desire to do so comes much more easily when you world tells you it’s permissible and rewarding to do so. For many of us, this doesn’t happen. Dreams get crushed over and over, hopes washed away, and fortune doesn’t favour us nearly as much as others.

Not all of us are Epictetus, Viktor Frankl, or other wise philosophers who could take adversity and transform it into meaning and joy. Even so, I doubt very much that this kind of person is anything like a zombie. Maybe outwardly so, but that means very little.


You know the condition burn out?

Some people have this as default, after being grinded down enough.

There is then also no more rich inner life.

Only different grades of sadness, stress and numbness.


At some point in your life, somebody's undoubtedly thought the same thing about you. Probably even a bunch of people over many years.


Although you may be right, and they may be wrong. Not that I advocate going around thinking like this as it'll only lead to unhappiness and poor relationships (and you'll also very possibly be wrong).


Shades of the old joke: A man driving on the autobahn hears a newsflash on the radio "Warning for drivers on the A7 northbound! A car is going the wrong way!" "The hell ya say!", snorts the man , "It ain't just one car. It's hundreds of them!"


This reminded me of another joke. Apologies if I botch it, I’m terrible at joke delivery.

A person is driving with a passenger. The driver goes straight through a red light. The passenger is terrified, “that light was red! Aren’t you afraid we’ll be hit?” The driver says “don’t worry, my brother does it all the time.” After crossing several red lights this way, they come to a green light and come to a complete stop. The passenger says, “why did you stop? The light is green now!” The driver says, “my brother might be out driving.”


A man climbs into a taxi, "Airport please, I'm late!".

The driver speeds up and starts going straight through a red light. The passenger is terrified, “That light was red! I'm not that late, aren’t you afraid we’ll be hit?” The driver says “Don’t worry, my brother does it all the time.”

After crossing several red lights this way, they come closer to the airport, and at a green light they come to a complete stop. The passenger says, “Why did you stop? The light is green now!” The driver says, “Oh, my brother works on this side of town."


I, for one, am thinking this about them at this very moment!

‹ducks›


As depicted by xkcd: https://xkcd.com/610/


Wow, there really is an XKCD for everything



That was much much better than I could have expected, and I’m glad I used my annual YouTube visit to watch it.


Glad to hear it. Thank you for saying so.


it's hard to reconcile, right? conversely I've been the clueless guy enough to realize we all do it. like getting angry at random trash and then thinking "you know, maybe someone dropped this by accident when they thought they got it into their pocket"


Every time I try to think so charitably I end up driving behind somebody who chucks a plastic water bottle out their window into a national forest.


Sounds like a thing that everybody would acuse each other of in any given hyperindivisualistic society. I mean especially in the US you sadly have quite some people who would rather hurt themselves than have a penny go to the help of others. This is beyond pure indifference towards strangers. People actively despise living in a society (even if they ultimatly profit from it).


I could easily imagine people accusing each other of it in a hyper-communalist society, as well!


As always, there is a relevant XKCD comic available for you: https://xkcd.com/610/


It's ok, to other people you are like that!




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