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What's different in the US from the rest of the world that's been running 5G for a while?


Different countries use different frequency bands for both 5G and radar alitmeters.

The FAA's concern here is that the bands will be neighbouring in the USA, which means if either the 5G equipment accidentally transmits a bit of signal outside its allocated band, or the altimeters accidentally interpret out-of-band signals they ought to ignore, then problems could happen.

Since radar altimeters are pretty old tech, and very analogue, their concern isn't totally unwarranted.


Thanks; so then the question is hth did the US manage to do this 5G allocation without thinking about the consequence?


The bands seem to be 200mhz apart, which is a massive gap. If it was my decision, I wouldn’t think of any consequences. I still think this will only affect the crappiest of hardware with the crappiest of filters.


To add detail... A major part of FCC testing of hardware is that it will work correctly even when other people are transmitting stuff on other frequency bands.

So, provided all hardware out there went through the proper FCC tests, and nobody cheated, then it's guaranteed to work.

The issue is that what the FCC rules say, and how devices in the field actually behave, can differ...


> The issue is that what the FCC rules say, and how devices in the field actually behave, can differ...

That's the point of the situation. You replace the radar alt on aircraft #2153 and you do not trust it until its got a few hours and thats "ok". There are published minimums and a safe pilot will not push those with something that was just bolted together.

The exciting part of 5G is its like every radar alt in every aircraft flying in the entire country just got replaced and can't be trusted until proven otherwise for a week or two. No biggie. I suspect some will indeed fail and be replaced and that'll be OK because nobody will be trusting their radar alt for the first week 5G is turned on. And after that it'll be "fine".

Its kind of like the effect of EMP on cars. Disaster doomers like the mythical story of one "boom" and all cars stop, however comically unrealistic that is. Reality is you could still cause chaos logistically by hitting just 0.1% of all cars because our supply chain, even without covid, is absolute trash. And that's how this 5G/radar situation will turn out. Most likely the supply chain for avionics literally can't handle replacing, say, 0.1% of all radar alts currently installed in aircraft today. Can aircraft spruce and specialty literally ship 500 radar alts on monday if someone snapped their fingers and turned 5G on? Are there enough bored A+P mechanics to install all of them or will aircraft sit waiting for parts to arrive or get installed? Hilarious to consider a fixed base operator trying to order ten radar alts shipped by air priority and the air priority is down, so we're waiting on trucks. Then just like toilet paper or microcontrollers during covid, you'll have idiots panic buying two year supplies "because there's a shortage" resulting in plenty of people needing parts and having zero access. So if your average airline needs ten replacement radar alts per year and the supply chain might be F-d for two years they need to panic order twenty radar alts and stick them in closets (and order that RIGHT NOW like today...); they may only need three when 5G is turned up and then seventeen other aircraft will have to sit on the ground waiting for parts because "their" radar alt is sitting in someones hoard/warehouse.


Most people don't realize that the vast majority of GA aircraft are positively ancient though. When the average hardware among hobbyists is >30 years old the definition of "crappiest of hardware" takes on a different meaning.


There are no ancient GA aircraft with RADALTS or autoland systems.


Considering that Garmin sells a full kit that integrates wit their displays (https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/135561), and autoland systems are just becoming available, I think you're incorrect in your assumptions.


Many GA airframes are old, but have been refitted with "glass cockpits" from Garmin or other avionics companies.


a single radar altimeter's operating bandwidth can be as high as 200MHz, though (In fact, higher bandwidth increases resolution and quality of return)


That has nothing to do with the frequency allocation. You can’t just transmit outside your band hoping it will increase resolution. And receiving 200mhz outside your band is not a thing we do in <current century>. DSP exists.


I am pretty sure that the concern is with the results of front end overload, which happens well before DSP can be applied.


FAA is actually quite good at ignoring theoretical non-problems.

This is a sample notam for what the anti-interference alert will look like.


5g has been running for a couple of years in the US. The FAA’s problem is new spectrum that carriers want to deploy.


They have deployed it, it's just not turned on yet.




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