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Harmful speech and misinformation should not have a platform.


Who defines what speech is harmful or wrong?

Democracy is a system in which your party loses elections. And when they lose, do you want them dictating what you can and can’t say?

No one has a monopoly on the truth.

In fact, our greatest scientific discoveries (the closest thing we have to Truth) have been forged by “offensive speech”. The ability to offend actually helps minimize misinformation.


> Who defines what speech is harmful or wrong?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28698642


I notice those lists do not include the exact same materials.

So you've proven the point that there is debate to be had on these matters.


> there is debate to be had on these matters

Exactly what tobacco company execs said when they denied the links between smoking and cancer and other diseases.

Exactly as the climate-change denialists say when they delay and distract from efforts to address global warming.

Spreading doubt, deflecting criticism, and diverting attention are right out of the playbook for bad-faith actors.

What are we going to do to stop them?


If debate is always a diversionary tactic and we should prioritize action by picking a side, why should we necessarily side with you? Are you always right?


Let's trust the billionaire execs at Google, Facebook, Amazon and Twitter to listen to the correct academics rather than responding to the incentives of capital. When faced with calls to ban pro-Palestinian rights activism on their platforms, they've never caved before


> Let's trust the billionaire execs at Google, Facebook, Amazon and Twitter to listen to the correct academics rather than responding to the incentives of capital

That's what we're doing now: it's a neoliberal "free market" and the acolytes of the Chicago School tell us that the incentives of capital will eventually lead to the best possible outcome because rational actors will make perfect choices with complete information.


Not if the Left actually builds arguments and movements to change minds and and wins political power. But instead many spend their time begging the rich white men at Facebook and Twitter to decide which political speech deserves to be hidden from millions of people


It's all fun and games until the Ministry of Truth refers your case to the Ministry of Love.


- Performative Hate Speech Acts. Perlocutionary and Illocutionary Understandings in International Human Rights Law: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334199177_PERFORMAT...

- Oppressive Speech: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/000484008023703...

- Why We Should Ban Oppressive Speech Acts: https://publicseminar.org/essays/why-we-should-outlaw-oppres...


The speech in your post is oppressing me right now. Cease and desist your verbal oppression or else I will use state-sponsored violence to end your oppressively free speech.


Shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater has never been protected speech.


In the US? Yes it is. You realize you are quoting a 1919 supreme court case (that used the "fire in a theater" argument to make protesting against the draft illegal)... which has been overturned 50 years ago, right?


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to constitutional scholars. What law school did you go to? How long have you been a member of the SCOTUS bar? What law reviews have published your work and how many constitutional law cases have you argued?


I think you should review the HN guidelines, as it appears your comment is breaking several of them. If you want to make posts like this you should build your own HN.


And you're literally advocating for legalizing speech that incites violence. I'm ok with where I am, are you?


That is a gross mischaracterization, although one that I would expect given the track record of this conversation. Your comments are filled with an unhealthy level of vitriol, and I think it would be a good idea to cool down for a while.


Straight out of the obfuscation and doubt handbook. Instead of addressing the issue, go straight for attacking the messenger and divert, deflect, and distract.


Stop peddling conspiracy theories and bad faith arguments.

Your "misinformation" is the notion that masks work, vaccines are not "100% effective" as originally claimed, and that the coronavirus strain causing covid-19 is man-made. You want to stifle political opinions that threaten your narrative, and you have twisted your words in such a way that you are framing state censorship as a form of liberation. Your advocacy for state controls on speech would be far more at home in a totalitarian regime such as the DPRK, and I suggest you pursue your ideals there.


Another diversion, and a wrong one at that.


Stop projecting yourself onto other people.


When did HN end up at this?


Is there an easy copy pasta on exactly how bad the original judgment was? Because there really ought to be one whenever someone posts about fire in a theatre.


For a while now it's been understood that the "'fire' in a crowded theater" thing is a misinformed meme

https://www.popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-...


I love how everyone is piling on about the legal ruling and ignoring the actual problem at hand: apologists for harmful speech and misinformation.


Your position is based on a provably fallacious argument. The posters in this thread have provided you with references, but instead you're doubling down and ignoring them.


There is a platform. In private, where that sort of talk has always existed.

When it's limited to private, it's obvious to the speaker that holding those opinions is a personal choice, not a publicly acceptable opinion.


Define `harmful` and `misinformation`.





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