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I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day.

One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,000 viewers (most DJs don't crack 1000). So I went to check it out.

It was a hot tub streamer holding a guitar while she thanked people for their tips and subs. In the 10 minutes I watched, she never once played anything.

I was fascinated by the fact that she had so many people basically just watching her in a hot tub and giving her money. She wasn't doing anything compelling.

To each their own, but I had no idea there were so many people on the internet willing to pay for such a thing.



Go on Tiktok and check out how many random girls list their cashapp profile in their bio. Men will just give them money.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kristatorres/venmo-tiktok-money-fro...


> I was fascinated by the fact that she had so many people basically just watching her in a hot tub and giving her money. She wasn't doing anything compelling.

Wait until you learn about VTubers.


I mean don't they do the same thing as most people on twitch (video games) just with a fake avatar? Honestly I still remember when face cam was rare and you had no idea what most streamers looked like.


I just Googled that. I'm equally fascinated.


Did you know netflix has virtual youtuber promoting their anime channel?

:D

https://youtu.be/pTF_b_9q5o8

I am hyped about increasing use of virtual mascots by corporations.


On one hand, it seems like people that watch trains. I've no idea why people like to watch trains, but I'm sure I have equally strange interests compared to them.

On the other hand, some of these stans are paying a lot of cold hard cash to these streamers, just to get a shout-out, maybe, and that is clearly insane.

I've no idea what to make of the whole situation and perhaps I should just go look at some other corner of the web.


As someone who has repeatedly been pulled back to this specific brand of content when bored, my understanding is it takes advantage of a need for companionship. It hacks into that human instinct while accompanied by motifs that are already familiar (knowledge of foreign culture, moé art styles, openness to sending coded signals about sexuality) instead of featuring video feeds of real people that may push away the socially anxious. The value add appears to be: Now you "know" a girl who knows about the exact things you do and does not shy away from making targeted innuendos from the outset (unlike any average person who would be creeped out, going by society's rules for real life interactions), validating the pent-up feelings that the target audience would usually just blow off, and whose level of physical attraction is not predetermined by nature but is instead designed by an artist to surpass nature.

Most importantly, nothing is scripted or predetermined (or it at least feels that way), and they regularly acknowledge that the people making up the audience exist, in real time. "You guys." It's difficult to feel the same empathy when you're just watching a television show.

There are some signals they send to tone down the intimacy of the experience. The model is designed and rigged by artists, who sometimes have their own channels and are frequently welcomed and thanked, to make the experience feel like the product of hard work and creativity instead of stardom and charisma alone. Much of the entertainment value (and the only real reason I continue to care) comes from the interactions between the streamers themselves rather than with their audience, which are highlighted for posterity and endlessly remixed. There have been enough times where five minutes after dropping into an arbitrary stream something interesting would happen as a result of the streamer's behavior or circumstances, and only a few hours later the fanbase would post the highlight. Some of them end up with hundreds of thousands of views after a few weeks.

Additionally, in my mind the thing they did better was to not try to "act" as much, which would make the experience feel fake, much the same as just watching television where nobody is attempting to speak to you directly. It's the supposed sense of "authentic human interaction" packaged in the 2D format which is the major innovation over the static things from decades past like comics, and which was only possible to have with the ease of livestreaming and real-time comment feeds.

For me at least, the most interesting parts are actually when the streamers are "doing nothing" - sitting around talking about things, playing video games together - in just the same way as someone in real life might do with their friends every Friday evening, except the friends are guaranteed to be attractive and interesting to listen to. It is designed to be close enough to the "basically nothing" you'd expect from interacting with actual friends to de-stress (unless you set your friends to that high a standard), or being invited to a party where all you have to do is listen to other, more interesting people's anecdotes and laughter to feel as if you're a part of something.

I'd been to several of those parties and gatherings many times in my adolescence, where I felt something by just surrounding myself with people having a good time and feeling no pressure to be a part of it. I sometimes wished those moments would never have to end and the people that made them up didn't have class to go to at 8 in the morning the next day or other obligations that would prevent them from getting back together in a room any time soon.

This is the commercialization of those after-school hangouts, seven days a week.

At times it feels like the genre has obsoleted large swathes of content if done properly. People who watch television shows with a predetermined outcome no longer have to make up their own idea of attraction when someone playing a 2D character can actually respond in real-time to real (but faceless) people. I'd given up a few things I used to follow in the past which I'd realized were just trying to fill the same void that the streamers did, and the streamers filled the void that much better. No, this isn't the most healthy thing to admit.

But I make it very clear to myself that none of these people will ever know or care about who I am as an individual. The streamers essentially carry the weight of tens of thousands of people they will never know in an attempt to satisfy them all for the company's benefit. They're entertainers. But there are many people for whom that is not the case and the attachment becomes (a higher level of) parasocial. None of us can deny that the temptation is a lucrative one for the agencies that succeed.

Also, there is not an insignificant subset of people outside of YouTube who find the idea of paying money for call-outs to be "cringe", and I completely agree, but nobody on the business side has any incentive to stop them. Many people want to send money thinking all of it will go to their favorite streamer (which is decidedly not the case, given it goes through both the agency and YouTube). Also, the official chat feeds are militantly patrolled to prevent defamatory remarks from showing up on-stream (or even comments about unrelated streamers), so there will always be a subset of opinions that will never be discussed there.


Especially on the internet, home of more pornography than any human could ever consume in a million lifetimes. I don't understand what would compel someone to sit and watch and tip someone in a bathing suit attempting to play video games.


The one I saw wasn't even playing games. She is literally just sitting in the hot tub in a bikini. And in the corner it says "new bikini with 50 subs".


It’s a well known symptom of extreme loneliness. Very common in Japan, and growing in the west.


It's not porn, it's human interaction, acknoledgment and a form of power. The viewer can control with their money what the streamer is doing, they are recognised and build a form of relationship. This is on both sides a darker aspect of sexuality and behaviour that humans are not learning much about. That's why it's hard to understand and recognise such things.


It reminds me of World of Warcraft, where guys give female avatars their items and gold for nothing.


Standard knowledge for a easy start on a new server was to roll a female elf and unequip everything and dance on the mailbox at the capitol.

I preferred cornering the thorium market on the weekends.


> She wasn't doing anything compelling.

Consider your experience except with the change that porn is banned in your household/country.


Men that are lonely and crave some sort of connection to the opposite sex.


It's not uncommon to see donations of 5k USD and up in a single transaction. And oftentimes all this person gets in return - that is, if the camgirl.. apologies, streamer notices the sum come in at all - is a "you're so sweet thanks!".

I just can't understand what they're hoping to get out of handing away so much money. Do they believe theirs will be reacted to differently? But why them? It's just so irrational!


I think it makes them feel appreciated when others are thanked as they now feel that they are part of the group (who is being thanked). Their individual donation doesn't need much praise if any. I agree with one of the other posters that it is related to loneliness. I could be mistaken obviously.


So many chumps - I honestly think people subscribing to players is just as chumpy but I get that is just one mans opinion.


indiefoxx is quite popular, yes.




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