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Are people forgetting that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East? The US enjoys a very healthy military relationship with Israel because of its advanced technology and its strategic location....all religion aside.


> "...the only democracy in the Middle East? ...all religion aside."

One problem is that it's difficult to consider the question of Israel being a "democracy" while setting aside "all religion". (Short version: there are a lot of people in occupied territories that don't have a vote.)

Another is that there is a very good question of just how much can you let a country get away with just because they are or claim to be a democracy? That amount is surely limited (right?), but the question is, how much?


there are a lot of people in occupied territories that don't have a vote

By your logic, the United States is not a democracy because illegal aliens cannot vote in US elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship


> there are a lot of people in occupied territories that don't have a vote.

Yes they do. In their own government(s). What are you talking about?

Edit: Oh gosh... downvoted? I feel as though I am on reddit.

Edit 2: They voted for Fatah and Hamas. They do get to vote - in their own elections. (Though not for a few years because Hamas and Fatah have postponed elections multiple times)


While Israel does have strategic importance to the US, I think that's Israel's status in US foreign policy is disproportionate to that strategic need. I don't think it's controversial to say that many people - and politicians - feel a moral imperative to help Israel. I think it's inaccurate to characterize the relationship between the two countries without considering that perceived imperative.


> Are people forgetting that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East?

What happened to Turkey?


Seeing as Turkey is vying for a position in the EU and it's part of numerous European councils, Turkey isn't generally considered a Middle Eastern country.


I thought we brought democracy to Iraq (or I hope that's what we got out of that), and Egypt is holding their first election in forever in November. The area's getting better overall in terms of democracy it would seem, with or without our protection of them.


It strikes me that one reason surrounding regimes are/were so hostile towards Israel is because they don't want their own people 'getting ideas.'


You're being downmodded, but it is a fairly documented point[1] and a very valid one in "Middle Eastern studies" academic circles[2].

[1] quick googling turned for example http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/04/01/full-comment-...

[2] due to time constraints I can't find recitations now, so take it at face value. Sorry.

EDIT: eh, life just gave a brilliant new example: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaelweiss/100092061/bre...


OK then what happened to Lebanon ;-)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

According to that Israel is a 'Flawed democracy' and Lebanon is a 'Hybrid regime'. I cannot say I'm familiar with the political system in Lebanon, but I do know they've been having some major issues with their government lately. IIRC they haven't had a functioning executive branch since they agreed to comply with the UN investigation into the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri. Hezbollah (effectively the military of Lebanon and a very strong political power) is extremely unhappy with this because the allegation is that they assassinated him.


Iraq? Egypt (election this fall)?




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