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If you're worried about power consumption from a cost perspective, it's going to take a long time to break even from the cost of new hardware, even for a cheap pi.

If you're worried about it from an environmental perspective, it often takes more energy / resource mining / pollution to manufacture a new piece of hardware than the total amount saved from not running older hardware over a longer lifetime. Running a computer / smartphone / tablet until it doesn't work well enough for its purpose is generally better for the environment than upgrading because shiny, because it slightly reduces the demand for new hardware.



> If you're worried about power consumption from a cost perspective, it's going to take a long time to break even from the cost of new hardware, even for a cheap pi.

That depends a lot on where you live. In Germany, prices scratch 0.3€/kWh. A new Pi sets you back 60€ [0]. Assuming you save 20W and it's on 24/7, you'll break even in just above a year[1].

[0] I know it's marketed as cheaper, but you never get it for 35€ and then you still need cables and an SD card.

[1] you save 52.50€ per year


Sure, and it never hurts to do the math for your particular situation. Being in California I'm probably paying about the same as you per kWh. I do think 20W delta is rather optimistic, since the last time I checked a decade ago, laptops only consume 10-15W at idle, and pi's likely consume at least a few watts themselves. Laptop hardware is generally pretty good about reliably suspending to ram and resuming.

My general point is that there's a lot of externalized costs to consider depending on what you're trying to optimize for. For example, I live in a somewhat chilly area most of the year, and part of my home is electrically heated rather than by natural gas. I don't particularly care how efficient any electronics are in that part of the house (when I'm using them) because that electricity is converted into useful heat just as well as a space heater would do it.


Good points as well!

> it never hurts to do the math for your particular situation

I think we can agree on that :)


I had a nightmare last night that my 3 year old smartphone's screen got horribly scratched enough to be a constant nuisance but not bad enough to interfere with its function, and I had to decide whether or not to give up and upgrade.


This isn't necessarily related to the discussion at hand, but it reminded me:

I got a huge crack (https://ibb.co/1mPxC6C) in my smartphone's screen right around New Year's. One of my goals was to use my phone less (less social media). The crack is a big, ~.25in black diagonal line across the screen, but the touch still works. Because it's a diagonal crack, I can still read whole text messages/emails/etc, I just have to scroll the right way.

It's now March and I still haven't fixed my screen, mostly out of laziness since I'm home all the time, but also because it's done wonders to my smartphone use. I practically don't idly scroll anymore, just because it's really annoying to do so, and I don't miss it at all. Everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I haven't read twitter in like 3 months so who's the crazy one?

I'd say, don't bother upgrading! Enjoy that the addictive quality of your smartphone is diminished.


Lol, thankfully it was just a dream and my screen is still flawless! I did stop bothering to put protective glass on it after that cracked a few months ago.

The only thing I read obsessively on my phone these days is hacker news. :-) I stopped using most social media 6 or 7 years ago.




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