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Several of Musk's numbers don't add up. No pickup has a bed capacity of 3500 pounds. That's 1.75 tons. Even full sized US pickups top out at 3/4 ton, unless they're super duty which adds greatly to weight and lowers MPG painfully. A 1.75 ton load, especially raised as high up as shown in this prototype, would flip the truck in the slightest of turns. 3500 is surely a fake number.

Second, this is going to be a very heavy truck, 6000 pounds or more. No truck with thick stainless steel body panels can weigh less than 5500 pounds. How that much weight can deliver 250 to 500 miles of range... sounds like fantasy #2. Apparently Musk is imagining that battery technology will advance a lot before this thing ships. Or he's just making stuff up.

Finally, the claim that the bed will extend to the ground to form a useful ramp. Nah. These folks have never lived with a pickup. No object heavier than a bicycle is going to make it up that 45 degree incline and into the bed without crashing into the cab before it can stop, especially given the polished floor of the demo truck. That's fantasy #3. No telling how much more reality distortion lies beneath that funky exterior.



> Several of Musk's numbers don't add up.

If they don't, then they will need to be revised before release and we can discuss them at that time.

> No pickup has a bed capacity of 3500 pounds.

Nonsense. Super Duty trucks have payload capacities up to 7,850 lbs. Even a ford F150 with a V6 has a capacity near a ton and they only go up from there. https://www.fordf150blog.com/2019-f-150-towing-and-payload-c...

> How that much weight can deliver 250 to 500 miles of range... sounds like fantasy #2.

This falls into the category of put up or shut up. Tesla has bad track record of hitting deadlines, but a really good track record of hitting their range estimates. If they don't hit 250 miles on the base model, we're sure to hear about it when it's launched.

> Finally, the claim that the bed will extend to the ground to form a useful ramp. Nah. These folks have never lived with a pickup.

If you don't see the value in being able to tilt the truck bed then you've clearly never used a pickup to it's capacity.

I've bought 4 major appliances lately and hauled several tons of lumber, concrete, & gravel. Even without the ramps, Being able to tilt the bed down to unload the truck sounds like a fucking godsend to me. Particularly for loose loads and lumber where it would act a bit like a dump truck.


> A 1.75 ton load, especially raised as high up as shown in this prototype, would flip the truck in the slightest of turns.

The battery in this truck is probably incredibly heavy, which really moves the center of mass down. The suspension is also computer controlled, and at high loads you could lower the vehicle to be closer to the ground. Carrying 3500 pounds off road isn't a good idea even if the vehicle can corner so you don't need the clearance.

Actually I think your overestimating the total weight, but it goes to the above point when you say

> Second, this is going to be a very heavy truck, 6000 pounds or more.

> Musk is imagining that battery technology will advance a lot before this thing ships

Unlikely, more likely he is just planning on putting a lot of battery in it. Unlike you, Musk has lots of engineers working on this and has a pretty damn good idea of what is possible.

Pickup trucks are ideal for packing a lot of battery, lots of space along the bottom to do so.

> Finally, the claim that the bed will extend to the ground to form a useful ramp. Nah. These folks have never lived with a pickup. No object heavier than a bicycle is going to make it up that 45 degree incline and into the bed without crashing into the cab before it can stop, especially given the polished floor of the demo truck. That's fantasy #3. No telling how much more reality distortion lies beneath that funky exterior.

ROFL - you realized they literally live demoed doing so on a ATV right?

Moreover, the main use of ramps, at least in my mind having unloaded and loaded a pickup truck, is making it easier to move heavy objects in and out by hand.

I'm pretty sure the only person fantasizing here is you.


I think you got confused. These weight numbers are for towing, not to be put into the truck bed.


"With up to 3,500 pounds of payload capacity and adjustable air suspension, Cybertruck is the most powerful tool we have ever built, ..."

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

Payload is bed capacity not tow capacity.


Ah, yes, you're correct, I am wrong.


I was wrong too in thinking that no mainstream pickup has a 3000+ pound payload. It turns out the F150 does (in its maxed out config), so the Cybertruck's 3500 payload isn't necessarily that implausible.




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