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I guess this would qualify as a protrust operation

Wtf is Block an why are they 10000 in the first place?

The DuckDuckGo name and mascot are still the main reason I don't use it, they're just too dumb, in a not fun way

Nobody uses D

This is like the "real world" argument. Nobody uses that "in the real world", except well people that do.

Well, I do!?!! It's even faster than zoomer langs like Odin. You should try it.

Zoomer is a good word btw. I love zoomers.

And? Does it work? Because it does. It's a lot closer to C++ and you literally need like a week to start being productive and it's insanely flexible as a language. Nobody uses Swift also, but the additional problem with Swift was that it's entirely Apple-centric.

> Nobody uses Swift also

Yep, it was also a weird, not entirely pragmatic choice, even if it was well justified technically and all-in-all rational. D would be the same.


Entirely Apple-centric?

Cool, that seems like a rational choice. I hope this will help Ladybird and Servo benefit from each other in the long run, and will make both of them more likely to succeed

I hope it does not -> because we don't more browser crossbreeding

Small browsers need to unite if they ever hope to become relevant.

Definitely, would be great to see a Servo-based Ladybird.

One thing to consider is that "native" apps are considered the gold standard of desktop UIs, but a overwhelming share of users… don’t care. I, for one, don’t necessarily enjoy Qt apps. I think the only one I still use is KeepassXC and it’s trash to me, just slightly better than Keepass2. I much prefer the Bitwarden Electron app.

Given the choice, I often reach for Electron apps because they feel more feature rich, feel better designed in terms of polish (both UI and UX), and I rarely get resource hog issues (Slack is the only offender I can think of among the Electron apps I use)


Did you ever consider that perhaps for other people when something is unreasonably slow and consuming all of their battery, the "polish" is really not that high on the list of important characteristics?

Also, keep in mind that many people would like their applications to respect their preferences, so the "polish" that looks completely out of place on their screen is ugly (besides slow).


Ok but did you consider some people care about polish and prefer apps with an attention to design, and not so much about consistency with other apps? Why are your tastes more important?

Not my taste, the requirements of not crashing and not being horribly slow come before any polish. Any software engineering course will teach you that.

Maybe the standard practice sucks. No matter how you turn it around, it does sound like blackmail. Just because you disclose a vulnerability to an org doesn’t mean you have any right or legitimacy to impose a deadline on them, you’re not their boss. This is some vigilante shit and it has not justification whatsoever. Report to the org, report to the authorities as needed and move on.

Without a deadline of some form, when do you escalate to public knowledge so customers can know they might get defrauded in some capacity?

> Without a deadline of some form, when do you escalate to public knowledge so customers can know they might get defrauded in some capacity?

You set a deadline after an initial conversation and urging them to fix it, if they don’t respond. I think the idea would be to escalate slowly. Like the original poster said large tech companies like know how to do this and streamlined the process. But, to someone not familiar with the process it looks like threats and deadlines imposed by a random person.

I am not defending the company just presenting their possible point of view. It’s worth seeing things with their eyes so to speak to try to understand their motivations.


But that is the intention, isn't it? The company showed neglect. The researcher has a moral right ( and I would say duty) to make that public. It's nice of them to give the company some time to get their shit together. After the vulnerability has been fixed there is no issue for customers in publishing about the neglect. The bad press for the company is deserved.

The idea was change the initial approach and not mention deadlines and just see if they’ll fix it. Point to the law indicating they should notify the authorities. Then if they don’t respond, give them a timeline tell them you’re notifying them. Like the original post said this is not Google, not a tech company, this looks like extortion of some sort to them. So it’s not that surprising what their response was.

It all depends on the goal. Is the goal for them to fix it most of all? To get them embarrassed? To make a blogpost and get internet points?


Blackmail to gain what? Speedy update to the site? The OP is going to disclose the vulnerability. The only matter up for debate is the timing.

"Democrats made Trump do it". Classic bullying speech.


Eh, I take it as more ‘duh, what did you think was going to happen’?

Which at the national politics level, seems fair.


Is this serious? Looking at this I feel both bored to death (think "Severance gray office hell" boredom) AND overwhelmed because of the tons of decorations and useless creases and crappy icons and awful text and unnecessary affordances that only made sense 30 years ago when no one knew how to use a computer. Ugh


I agree with the parent comment, but I understand that someone who did not grow up with UIs that looked like that would think otherwise. I do feel that Windows 2000 was peak UI for desktop operating systems, but it's probably due to a combination of nostalgia and the fact that I deeply dislike modern Electron-based UIs with too few decorations and an overly minimalistic and non-customizable "we know best" attitude.


It’s never possible for things to be good with people like you. It’s not 100% recycled, which would be better. But surely, this is better than 0% recycled??


Ironically, it's worse. I just wrote another comment about this. Recycled plastics carry more toxic load and shed more (and more fragmented) microplastics into the environment. Recycled plastics only win out on carbon emissions.

Moral of the story: plastic is just not good. Avoid buying things made out of ANY kind plastic if you are going to regularly wash and mechanically agitate them. You won't eliminate 100% of washed plastic in your life, but it's surprisingly easy to get rid of 80% of it without sacrificing quality of life.


That's good to know. My understanding though is that they don't use 100% recycled plastic to prevent that? I thought the ~20% non recycled plastic was kinda "stabilizing" the whole thing but maybe that's not true


Nope that's not true. All recycled plastic is bad.


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