> Those included in the XCheck program, according to Facebook documents, include, in top row: Neymar, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Jr. and Mark Zuckerberg, and in bottom row, Elizabeth Warren, Dan Scavino, Candace Owens and Doug the Pug.
We've been quite comfortable with vaccine mandates for decades. My kids needed proof of MMR, DTaP, and several others to be able to attend school. Colleges have similar requirements. Hand washing is mandated "by government fiat" in many scenarios, as are quite a few other OHSA or public health scenarios - try working on a construction site without a hard hat, for example.
In 2019 or earlier, when have you had to show an ID and proof of vaccination to enter any building other than your own house? And for schools, didn't you used to have private schools or homeschooling as an option to avoid these kind of mandates? And hard hats aren't really comparable, since you can take them back off at the end of the workday.
> In 2019 or earlier, when have you had to show an ID and proof of vaccination to enter any building other than your own house?
I live in upstate New York - one of the more aggressive states for COVID measures - and have not yet had to do this, a year and a half into the pandemic.
But they don't get you out of the mandates anymore. Adults who already finished school used to never have to tell anyone their vaccination status to participate in society.
Again, I literally had to prove my vaccination status to be allowed to stay in the US. In 2009… and I’ve yet to present my COVID card anywhere in upstate NY.
Non-citizens do not have the right of citizens, you might have known already, but one can be denied the green card and/or not allowed into the country for having a communicable disease like AIDS or TB. If I follow your logic, it's okay to have AIDS, TB, leprosy, etc. passports too?
But people with AIDS are not allowed into the country already, why you add conditions? Does the Constitution say anything about aerosols?
Besides, TB spreads with the aerosols so we should have the BCG vaccine mandates, right?
It's fairly obvious that TB is not spreading like COVID does in the United States. If it were, restrictions would be sensible. (I would note that if you have TB, you may wind up subject to a quarantine order. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tb-patient-quarantine-condition...)
> Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
You argued that the rules applied to foreigners should be applied to the citizens. Right now foreigners with TB, AIDS and many other diseases are not allowed in the country. The question for you: is it okay to deport citizens with the same diseases? If the same rules apply then we should be doing this but as we obviously don't do this, this means the rules for foreigners are different. I am sure you can find the court cases confirming that.
Not entirely true. Certain classes of jobs, like working in health care, have always mandated vaccination. Additionally, when most vaccines are given in childhood, making sure everyone is vaccinated in grade school has the effect of ensuring that most adults are vaccinated. No need to keep re-checking throughout life.
That can't explain it. Jews are a small % of the population and weren't "our own people", yet the holocaust is considered tragic and given a lot of empathy (far more than many other genocides). Also at that point you can't claim any moral high ground or claim the event is uniquely horrible, but the US and it's citizen do just that.
Yes, I was that day. And I had probably been there since 6:00 am the previous day. Pulling multiple all-nighters on various "super important" projects was typical for me and others. In retrospect, my advice is not to do such things, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.
The email and all the security events happened right after the second plane hit, which seemed like it was closer to normal start of day hours.
In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.
It is tragic but what this has to do with forcing kids to wear mask? Sweden hit zero COVID death months ago, even though they never closed elementary schools and did not require masks. Children bear an incredibly small health risk with respect to the virus. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics suggests “children continue to face a far greater risk of critical illness from influenza than from COVID-19.
In addition, children are unlikely to spread the virus. The WHO’s chief scientist, Soumya Swaminathan, recently told the BBC that children appear to be “less capable” of spreading the virus than adults. In addition, the WHO has not observed any significant outbreaks that can be linked to regular school attendance.
Masks help prevent the flu as well, for the record.
Given quarantine policies for exposures the easiest way to keep kids in schools is to make sure the adults around them are vaccinated and that they take precautions before then.
My state effectively hit zero Covid deaths too a few months ago and that was through vaccination.
I understand your concern that discussing this incident will prevent anyone from talking or thinking about the abortion ban. But you'll be thrilled to hear that HN actually supports sharing and discussing more than one link! In fact, at any one time there are dozens and dozens of links being shared. On top of that, there are new ones everyday.
I hope that puts your concern to rest. Unless there's some other reason that you think discussing this topic binds everyone into a magical compact forbidding them from discussing the ban itself?
Anecdotally I don't know of any physician I've met in person (my SO and most of her family are all physicians) who isn't vaccinated. I've heard of a couple through stories so it might be 1-2% in my 1st and 2nd level of connections? Meanwhile every single physician I've spoken to about it knows at least a handful of nurses who aren't vaccinated and cite pseudoscientific nonsense as the justification.
Nurses are great but the difference in bar to entry and education between a physician and a nurse is staggering.
This is correct, people from middle and upper middle class families can't get in that did well in high school and college. What sort of bubble is made up of only people that went to top schools?
> but I very much doubt Dartmouth will make the cut.
Do you really think front line employees at Amazon are going to go to Dartmouth? People that worked hard in high school and college like me can't go to Dartmouth. Bizarre to equate that with quality when this is designed to give people opportunities to pay for University of New Hampshire.
I upvoted you just so that your ignorance can make a good discussion point.
There are an innumerable amount of "hard working" students that have all sorts of jobs in our economy. I'm now a 30-something tenured researcher at a world class instution, but at one point I was a 19 year old working swing shifts in a manufacturing plant while attending a world class university... because although I worked hard in high school just like you... I also desperately needed money. It would have been great if my greedy/zealous manager would have paid for my college, I was repairing the electronics and software for him at near minimum wage anyway.
I upvoted because he's correct. There's a staggering amount of denial in this thread. Statistically (and recently https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/histor...) the trends remain unchanged for Ivy league schools. The competition is high and the prejudices are baked in.
I worked hard, did well in high school, did everything right. Yet I had no shot at getting into any top schools or achieving anything close to what even the least accomplished top school admit has done in their life. Optimizing for a tiny fraction of elites while leaving the left of us to rot is the what's wrong with this country.
Most of us can't attend "world class universities", we're inherently inferior. The vast majority, actually. So bringing up elite schools in this conversation is both irrelevant and in many cases just self aggrandizing.
I don't know how you twisted what I said into the idea that people from FCs can't go to top schools, but the reality is almost none (and probably close to none) do.
