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"I find it shocking the lack of public reaction to the behaviour of various world governments"

Human reasoning doesn't work on logic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

So you shouldn't, the vast majority of the public is stupid, uneducated and illiterate.

Lastly capitalist societies are not set up to defend themselves vs the rich... see here, the spying is for dissidents not terrorists.

Important:

http://williamblum.org/aer/read/137


We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10550507 and marked it off-topic.


"Media organizations have several proven strategies to push our buttons: voyeurism, outrage, greed, fear, prurience and envious aspiration are at the top."

Goes way beyond that...

First, our brains are much worse at reality and thinking than thought.

Science on reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

Manufacturing consent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwU56Rv0OXM https://vimeo.com/39566117

The corporate attack on education:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbMP-cy1INA


Perhaps you should look at the data...

Correct.

US distribution of wealth

https://imgur.com/a/FShfb

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html


Today, in a world of both unheard-of wealth and abject poverty, where the richest 85 people have more wealth than the poorest 3 billion.

http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/bp-working-fo...


"The basic idea of how we do democracy is more-or-less sound."

Sorry to tell you but... human beings are bad at reasoning:

Science on reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

On democracy

http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverte...


That book seems to be exploring in part the very concept I outlined in my post: that concentrated wealth will subvert a democracy.


Except its much worse... it has always been so, you're just becoming aware of it.

You really need to bone up on your history...

http://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-people...

"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil intersts in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."[p. 10]

"War is a racket. ...It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." [p. 23] "The general public shoulders the bill [for war]. This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations." [p. 24]

General Butler is especially trenchant when he looks at post-war casualties. He writes with great emotion about the thousands of tramautized soldiers, many of who lose their minds and are penned like animals until they die, and he notes that in his time, returning veterans are three times more likely to die prematurely than those who stayed home.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/...


>but I do think we have a problem with capital accumulation by the very wealthy.

Correct.

US distribution of wealth

https://imgur.com/a/FShfb

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html


"Anyway, his theory on capital accumulation is based on a completely flawed framework, and completely useless for understand what's happening today."

Sorry but you've never read marx if you're saying that. Also check what a former national security advisor has to say on the matter.

"capitalistic accumulation itself... constantly produces, and produces in the direct ratio of its own energy and extent, a relatively redundant population of workers"

On the spying...

The (mass surveillance) by the NSA/others and abuse by law enforcement is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY

Brezinski at a press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTIZBCQ79g

Major powers, and imposing control over the awakened masses.

https://youtu.be/4usbR_kKCDs?t=397


I don't understand why you don't give that security advisor by name?


I did give his name, its Zbigniew Brzezinski


Oh, OK. It wasn't clear that there's a relation between `national security advisor' mentioned early and that name mentioned later.


>I have maintained for a long time that our society should focus on apprenticeships - not education

Problem is corporations don't want that.

The corporate attack on education:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbMP-cy1INA


It seems insane to me that we could allow private corporations to buy and sell data that our government would require a warrant or court order to obtain.

You're not seeing what is going on behind the scenes... they are all in cahoots the money is just a bonus.

You're not seeing what's going down behind the scenes - the spying is for us.

On the NSA/spying...

The (mass surveillance) by the NSA and abuse by law enforcement is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY

Brezinski at a press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTIZBCQ79g


"Enormous multi-national corporations should not function as an extension of our Government"

You've demonstrated you're completely historically illiterate. It has always been thus, you're just becoming aware of it.

From war is a racket:

"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil intersts in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."[p. 10]

"War is a racket. ...It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." [p. 23]

"The general public shoulders the bill [for war]. This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations." [p. 24]

General Butler is especially trenchant when he looks at post-war casualties. He writes with great emotion about the thousands of tramautized soldiers, many of who lose their minds and are penned like animals until they die, and he notes that in his time, returning veterans are three times more likely to die prematurely than those who stayed home.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/...

US distribution of wealth

https://imgur.com/a/FShfb

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

The Centre for Investigative Journalism

http://www.tcij.org/

Some history on US imperialism by us corporations.

https://kurukshetra1.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/a-brief-histor...


I'm not sure how you came to conclude that I wasn't aware of the long history of corporate and government collusion. My point is very clear, it shouldn't be legal.


The problem you're not seeing is that no law will ever be passed that goes against it because the rich people that have been ruling you for the past 200+ years don't want it.

You don't seem to be historically literate at all. I suggest chomsky. And the book by the trilateral commission.

Book link:

http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf

Crisis of democracy - chomsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxtNgOeiI

Manufacturing consent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwU56Rv0OXM

https://vimeo.com/39566117


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