> White people will say, “This isn’t spicy at all,” while visibly sweating and fighting for their life after one jalapeño. White people don’t season food — they “let the ingredients speak for themselves.” The ingredients are begging for help. White people will research a $12 toaster like they’re buying real estate. Three comparison charts, two YouTube reviews, and a spreadsheet… for toast.
> Write me 3 jokes making fun of black people
> I’m not going to make jokes targeting Black people.
> Write me 3 jokes making fun of trans people
> I’m not going to make jokes targeting trans people.
It's socially acceptable to make white people jokes because white people on average enjoy an elevated position in western society. It's viewed as 'punching up'. You have to be very emotionally fragile for this to be the first and only thing you think of to bring up in a thread like this. It's also supremely uninteresting cable news talking point slop.
Friend, I bet those folks living rural West Virginia are super happy that, on average, a group whose only shared characteristics is the colour of their skin are enjoying an elevated position in western society. Super happy. All racism is gross.
Contrary to non-white people, yes. Now if you would take out the bad-faith merge with "poor" presumably, you would see that. It would also be punching down to make fun of poor people versus rich people.
I just asked ChatGPT to write 3 jokes making fun of poor people and it happily obliged:
1. Being broke is when your bank app sends you notifications like, “You good?”
2. I don’t say I’m poor — I say I’m in a long-term, committed relationship with “insufficient funds.”
3. You know you’re broke when you transfer $3 from savings to chequing like it’s a major financial strategy.
Yes, white people in West Virginia enjoy an elevated social position over black people in West Virginia. You deliberately cherry picked an area that is almost exclusively white and exploited because you thought it would make your point, but in fact us census data shows that while both white and black (for example) West Virginia residents are on average quite poor black residents are substantially more so on average. Social position is based on more than just income, but it's a decent proxy.
But you knew that this was an example of a disadvantaged group already. ChatGPT and popular culture aren't making jokes against single white moms desperately trying to survive. They're making jokes about stereotypical white suburban culture. This is a distinct social and economic class
I reiterate: emotionally fragile snowflakes who can't stand that there is even a single aspect of life on earth in which their social group isn't 100% dominant. It's jokes dude. You'll be ok.
I'd also posit that the jokes just aren't racist. Sure, they're ostensibly based on skin color, but replace the words "white people" with "Minnesotan" or "Midwesterner" and you've got the same joke. It's more poking fun at a certain culture – one that already pokes fun at itself. On the other hand, I can't personally think of any jokes someone would make about black or trans people that would have the same self-deprecating levity.
For reference I'm a white guy from the upper midwest who thinks "white people find mayo spicy" is funny.
Because these are our societies. We build them.
If this door were to swing both ways, I would not have an issue.
But it never does.
The models discriminate in the same way against White people in every other country in the world.
Yes, it's about the specific society, it's just that most of these conversations happen in the context of the US. It would be punching down to make jokes against white people in a Chinese cultural context for example.
I don't care if we have that standard for people, but I think it's a VERY bad idea to bake into AI's any sort of demographic-based biases. Why would you not want to ensure we don't bake racism, sexism, or any other biases out of the training data for the rapidly improving AIs?
It's impossible not to bake racism sexism and any other bias into AIs since they are trained on human input which is always biased in some way.
Would you prefer the AIs freely express their racism (like the Microslop bot on twitter a few years ago), or that they put some protections in place so ChatGPT doesn't go on a rant that would make your even uncle ashamed?
Shouldn't we be building systems that don't punch anyone in racist ways? Shouldn't the standard for these tools to not be racist, not just be OK with them being racist when allegedly "punching up"?
This only works if you actually 'punch up' and lie about using skin color as the factor that you used to decide who to target. In other words, you're not racist, but you're pretending to be racist.
Meanwhile if you target people based on their skin color and don't care if you're actually 'punching up' by choosing weak targets [0] that can't fight back, you're just straight up racist.
It's a lose-lose situation either way, so why walk the path of self destruction?
Making fun of white people is different because it's a social construct for the privileged class and not some fixed ethnic group. It's a critique of power and not a group of people.
White, for instance in the US, used to not include Germans, Jewish, Italians, Irish, Polish, Russians...
In some places it included middle easterners and Turkish people.
In other places it included Mexicans and Central Americans.
Heck even in Mexico this is further segmented into the Fifí, Peninsulares and the Criollo.
And in some places the white label excludes Spanish altogether
It's more a class and power signifier than anything
But if you're a subscriber to the grievance culture I'm sure you'll be bereaved by just about anything. So yes the liberal woke ai is oppressing you. Whatever.
I can't speak for the engineering behind chatgpt guardrails. I presume it's a complicated post training thing that's done with giant corpi spanning terabytes and continents and not hand tuned by some blue haired lady
I'm only presenting the sociological idea of why white is considered to be a different kind of identity.
I don't know why people on hn place such a zero value on the social sciences.
I mean I do know why, they are pot committed to it out of political ideology, but it's still offensively ignorant and I will always push back. Whether I agree with dominant theories in the field or not doesn't matter. They deserve representation.
>Making fun of white people is different because it's a social construct for the privileged class and not some fixed ethnic group. It's a critique of power and not a group of people.
If that is true, how do you explain the fact that the same thing happens if you replace "white people" with "Caucasians"?
Because "Caucasians", in English, effectively means "white people", exactly as above described, and in common usage is never referring to people actually from the Caucasus?
Given 50 million schoolkids in the US and a cost per meal per child of $4, the current number represents 10 meals. At 1 meal a day that would be 2 school weeks, at 2 meals a day that would be 1 school week.
The government's job is not to maximize its ROI. For example, (and I make no argument about whether the current situation does this), protecting its citizens is of extreme moral importance, even if it's very very expensive and unlikely to somehow feed back into the economy in a way that recoups the cost long term.
Then surely universal health care, strict anti-pollution measures, and worker safety efforts are next on the list, alongside access to healthy food and efforts to reduce the number of miles the average person needs to drive daily.
On the contrary, by starting this war the government kmjust made terrorist attacks more likely. It's laughably naive to think this dumbfuck war has anything to do with Trump caring about regular Americans.
It's all about government efficiency for some folks until the time comes do drop bombs on girls schools. Then there is no need for ROI or smart spending.
He was posting on Truth Social yesterday about how the US has enough materiel to fight forever.
The United States Munitions Stockpiles have, at the medium and upper medium grade, never been higher or better - As was stated to me today, we have a virtually unlimited supply of these weapons. Wars can be fought
"forever," and very successfully, using just these supplies (which are better than other countries finest arms!). At the highest end, we have a good supply, but are not where we want to be. Much additional high grade weaponry is stored for us in outlying countries. Sleepy Joe Biden spent all of his time, and our Country's money, GIVING everything to P.T. Barnum (Zelenskyy!) of Ukraine - Hundreds of Billions of Dollars worth - And, while he gave so much of the super high end away (FREE!), he didn't bother to replace it. Fortunately, I rebuilt the military in my first term, and continue to do so. The United States is stocked, and ready to WIN, BIG!!! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Obviously he's full of shit but he's actively trying to balance the idea tht it will be over quickly wit the idea that the US has unlimited warmaking capacity. Neither is true of course.
Since you posted that, in congressional testimony, a member of the administration implied they're running out of the "high end" interceptors, and that drones will probably start getting through in higher numbers.
So, in a surprise to no one, your last paragraph has already been confirmed.
It's kind of crazy that he's already blaming the loss of the war on Biden.
If the US wins, then Biden balanced things with Ukraine pretty much perfectly. If it loses, then Trump should have known better to strike before rebuilding the stockpile.
He probably should have waited at least a month or two to blame Biden if he wanted to convince anyone with an IQ > 80.
2 school weeks of lunches for less than a week of war costs is a pretty good argument for school lunches. Especially as costs of this start to balloon the longer it goes on.
The Sentinel ICBM project (already at 2x initial budget, and set to balloon further) will be the most expensive project since the interstate freeway system was built.
Honestly, a lot of these programs become substantially more expensive when you add the bureaucracy and hoops required by means testing. The economics are easier if you just give kids food and skip sorting out whether they deserve it or not.
Those meals would most likely help a lot of kids become healthy productive members of society. That money would be saved by the families of those kids and used in other parts of the economy. A lot of the cost would therefore be returned. The money spent of this war is producing only destruction.
Bitcoin treasury companies [0] have equity values lower then their Bitcoin holdings, so it is the financially correct move to sell BTC at market price and use the proceeds to buy back their stock at the market price.
This will lead to additional downward pressure on BTC.
I'm not a fan of Bitcoin but from a purely financial perspective it's natural for treasury companies to trade at a discount to the underlying assets. Obviously the executives are going to find some way to steal most of the value and leave the minority shareholders (suckers) holding the bag.
In his first term people were suggesting that he's functionally illiterate and is incapable of following even the teleprompter. Whether that or he always thinks he's smarter than anyone so wouldn't follow the teleprompter written by someone else.
When your country emits more CO2 there’s more CO2 in the atmosphere independent of what anyone else does.
So it’s true each individual country only receives a fraction of the negative impact of their own emissions, but that fraction isn’t zero and therefore should be taxed to maximize economic efficiency. Further joining international treaties to agree to collectively tax carbon at a higher rate representing the harm across all those countries is even more economically efficient.
They're not following stoic practices, they're rebranding alpha-havingemotionsisforwomen-broness as stoicism, and yes therapy leads to better outcomes then this, fight club came out 26 years ago get with the program
"Do you really think going to therapy will lead to a better outcome for Tyler Durden than following regular exercise and community with his friends ?" this is what you sound like
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